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Royal mistresses, lovers & illegitimate children
« on: November 06, 2005, 12:28:54 PM »


As in the French Board, I'd like to start a new thread on the extramarital affairs of the Spanish Kings since Carlos I:

* Carlos I had several lovers:

1. Germaine of Foix (1488-1536): She was the widow of his grandfather, Ferdinand of Aragon and she gave him a duaghter: Isabel de Castilla (1518-after 1536).

2. Joanna Maria van der Gheynst (1500-1541): she gave him a daughter, Margarita de Austria (1522-1586), wife of Alessandro de Médici and Ottavio Farnesio.

3. A woman from Nassau of unknown name: She gave him a daughter, Juana (1523-1530), a very young nun in Spain.

4. Ursulina della Penna (cir.1500-1580): She gave him another daughter, Tadea de Austria (1523-1562), wife of Sinibaldo de Copeschi.

5. Barbara Blomberg (1528-1597):  She gave him a son, don Juan de Austria (1547-1578).


* Felipe II: None of them have been proved as actual lovers.

1. Lady Madeleine Dacre: while he was married to Mary Tudor.

2. Lady Catherine Leney: while he was married to Mary Tudor.

3. Lady Elizabeth Tudor: while he was married to Mary Tudor (don't shout at me, but it was a rumour at the time!).

4. Eufrasia de Guzmán: while he was married to Isabel de Valois, a lady-in-waiting of Juana, Dowager Princess of Portugal.

5. Isabel de Osorio: With whom it was rumoured that he had two illegitimate sons, Pedro and Bernardino.


* Felipe IV: a list of his bastards:

1. Margarita de Austria (1625-1650), born to Philip and a young woman from Madrid whose name is unknown. She was a nun since 1641 in the Descalzas Reales Convent in Madrid.  
 
2. Francisco Fernando Isidro de Austria (1626-1634), born to Philip and María de Chirel (1607-1626). He died being a little boy and he was posthumously recognized, as he was buried in El Escorial Monastery.  
 
3. Juan José de Austria (1629-1679), born to Philip and one of his favourite lovers, the actress María Inés Calderón y Velasco (1611-1676), ''La Calderona''. Juan José was Viceroy of Cataluña and Naples and some kind of ''Primer Minister'' in Spain during Charles II's (his half-brother) reign (1677-1679). He had three illegitimate daughters, all of them nuns and died without offspring.  
 
4. Domingo de San Cristóbal (1631-1683), born to Philip and a woman from Calahorra whose name is unknown. He was an Agustinian monk since 1649.  
 
5. Alfonso Enríquez de Santo Tomás (1634-1692), born to Philip and Tomasa Aldana (1617-1676). He was Bishop of Osma (1653-1692), Plasencia (1657-1692) and Málaga (1664-1692).  
 
6. Juan Cossío del Sacramento (1640-1701), born to Philip and Teresa Aldana (1620-1664), who was sister of another of Philip's mistresses. Juan was an Agustinian monk since 1655.  
 
7. A son named Carlos whose fate and mother are unknown.  
 
8. Alonso Antonio de San Martín (1636-170, born to Philip and Mariana Pérez de Cuevas. Monk since 1650, Bishop of Oviedo (1656-1664) and Bishop of Cuenca (1664-170.  
 
9. Fernando Valdés y de Uribeondo (1638-1702), born to Philip and Ana María de Uribeondo (1620-1703). Governor of Novara since 1661, he married Anna Maria di Capece (1642-1685) in 1660. I don't know if they ever had children.  
 
10. Ana Margarita de Austria (1641-1699), born to Philip and Margarita del Escala (1625-1699). She was a nun since 1656.  
 
 
He had many many others, as he fathered other 20 children of whom we know nothing about!


* Fernando VII:

1. Pepa la Malagueña: the owner of a brothel in Madrid.

2. María Antonia Pérez: a famous prostitute from Madrid.

* Isabel II:

1. Salustiano Olózaga.

2. Francisco Serrano.

3. Manuel Lorenzo de Acuña.

4. José María Ruiz de Arana.

5. Enrique Puigmoltó y Mayáns.

6. Miguel Tenorio de Castilla.

7. Carlos Marfori y Calleja.

8. José Ramiro de la Puente y González-Adín.

9. Joseph Altmann.

There were many others...


* Alfonso XII:

1. Elena Sanz y Martínez de Arrízala (1852-1898), she gave him two sons: Alfonso (1880-1970) and Fernando (1881-1922).

* Alfonso XIII:

1. Mélanie de Gaufridy de Dortan (1876-1935), gave him a son: Roger Levêque de Vilmorin (1905-1980).

2. Beatrice Noon, gave him a daughter: Juana Alfonsa Milán y Quiñones de León (1916-2005).

3. Carmen Ruiz Moragas (d.1936), gave him a daughter and a son: Teresa (1926-1965) and Leandro Alfonso (1929).

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Re: Royal mistresses, lovers & illegitimate children
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2005, 12:48:46 PM »
thanks Umigon, for all those mistresses!

I've noticed there's a 150 year gap (1665-1820) without any royal mistresses at all. This must be a record!
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2005, 02:48:00 PM »
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1. Germaine of Foix (1488-1536): She was the widow of his grandfather, Ferdinand of Aragon and she gave him a duaghter: Isabel de Castilla (1518-after 1536).

 


That is too disgusting for words!!
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2005, 09:58:39 AM »
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As in the French Board, I'd like to start a new thread on the extramarital affairs of the Spanish Kings since Carlos I:

* Felipe IV: a list of his bastards:

1. Margarita de Austria (1625-1650), born to Philip and a young woman from Madrid whose name is unknown. She was a nun since 1641 in the Descalzas Reales Convent in Madrid.  
  
2. Francisco Fernando Isidro de Austria (1626-1634), born to Philip and María de Chirel (1607-1626). He died being a little boy and he was posthumously recognized, as he was buried in El Escorial Monastery.  
  
3. Juan José de Austria (1629-1679), born to Philip and one of his favourite lovers, the actress María Inés Calderón y Velasco (1611-1676), ''La Calderona''. Juan José was Viceroy of Cataluña and Naples and some kind of ''Primer Minister'' in Spain during Charles II's (his half-brother) reign (1677-1679). He had three illegitimate daughters, all of them nuns and died without offspring.  
  
4. Domingo de San Cristóbal (1631-1683), born to Philip and a woman from Calahorra whose name is unknown. He was an Agustinian monk since 1649.  
  
5. Alfonso Enríquez de Santo Tomás (1634-1692), born to Philip and Tomasa Aldana (1617-1676). He was Bishop of Osma (1653-1692), Plasencia (1657-1692) and Málaga (1664-1692).  
  
6. Juan Cossío del Sacramento (1640-1701), born to Philip and Teresa Aldana (1620-1664), who was sister of another of Philip's mistresses. Juan was an Agustinian monk since 1655.  
  
7. A son named Carlos whose fate and mother are unknown.  
  
8. Alonso Antonio de San Martín (1636-170, born to Philip and Mariana Pérez de Cuevas. Monk since 1650, Bishop of Oviedo (1656-1664) and Bishop of Cuenca (1664-170.  
  
9. Fernando Valdés y de Uribeondo (1638-1702), born to Philip and Ana María de Uribeondo (1620-1703). Governor of Novara since 1661, he married Anna Maria di Capece (1642-1685) in 1660. I don't know if they ever had children.  
  
10. Ana Margarita de Austria (1641-1699), born to Philip and Margarita del Escala (1625-1699). She was a nun since 1656.  
  
  
He had many many others, as he fathered other 20 children of whom we know nothing about!
 


Nice guy was Felipe!! :P :P

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Re: Royal mistresses, lovers & illegitimate children
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2005, 11:30:44 AM »
I think Alfonso XIl has more than one mistress...

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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2005, 03:20:14 PM »
About Alfonso XIII,  i can´t imagine how the poor Ena had support this. She had for boys (three of them ills), and two daughters, supossed to be carreers of haemophilia. Alfonso never pardoned her.

Alfonso used to go for a walk with his ilegitime daughter Juana. It was know. He used to visit the two children he had with Carmen Moragas too.

I don´t know if Ena knew about the existence of this ilegitimed children, sure, she knew about the infidelitys of her husband, but about the children?

If she knew, how did she reactioned?


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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 01:36:09 AM »
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I don´t know if Ena knew about the existence of this ilegitimed children, sure, she knew about the infidelitys of her husband, but about the children?

If she knew, how did she reactioned?



I don't think she was pleased with her husband's flirtations  ;). I guess she was like many Queens and Princesses who resigned with such matters and held their heads up high.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2005, 02:20:53 AM »
alfonso never pardoned her? for what? it's not like she got the boys ill herself! he was well warned at the beggining, when he expressed his desire to marry ena, that she might be a carrier. he went along with the marriage anyway. he knew very well what he was getting himself into.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2005, 04:10:28 AM »
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alfonso never pardoned her? for what? it's not like she got the boys ill herself! he was well warned at the beggining, when he expressed his desire to marry ena, that she might be a carrier. he went along with the marriage anyway. he knew very well what he was getting himself into.

It seems that in a state of conjugal ardour Alfonso did not care much - was his future spouse a carrier or not ... :-/

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2005, 04:11:13 AM »

He said that he knew that he was being unfair, but that he would always blame, and never forgive, his wife for the illness, because it came from her family and not his... Alfonso was a very selfish guy, he always was...


Ena knew about her husband's children. Once they tried to sit Juana Alfonsa Milán at her table for lunch. Ena said she refused because she recognised who the lady was at once, she was so similar in looks to her father!
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2005, 05:06:35 AM »
Alfonso XIII used to spend the summer in the Palace of Miramar, in San Sebastian, the north of Spain (just near the frontier with France).

I am from San Sebastian (the Palace is so beautiful¡), and also all my family.

My grand Mother lived near two brothers, who were said to be sons (Illegitimated of course) of Alfonso XIII.

Their mother was a maid of the Palace. My grammy always said that one of them, the eldest, was exactly as Alfonso XIII.

Of course they were not recognized. And there is not any prove of it.

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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2005, 05:11:20 AM »
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I think Alfonso XIl has more than one mistress...


I don´t know about any other. Has he had a serious history with anyone else, or they where unknowed?

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2005, 06:12:19 AM »
Didn't Felipe V have a lover?  I read he loved both his wives and was somewhat a pious man.

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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2005, 08:43:14 AM »
yes, apparently so. i read about it in several sources
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2005, 09:50:06 AM »
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Didn't Felipe V have a lover?  I read he loved both his wives and was somewhat a pious man.


Felipe V, you are right, was a very pious man, but also a very ardous man.

He has two wives. The first one Maria Gabriela de Saboya, died very young. The second one, Isabel de Farnesio (from Parma-Italy), was a strong carachthere woman (She is my favorite Queen of Spain).

It´s true, that he loved them, and that he was a faithful husband.

Maria Gabriela de Savoya has a maid named Marquess of Ursinos, she had a lot of influence with the couple, when Maria Gabriela died, it was said that the king had a romance with the maid, before he married Isabel.

It was not true.