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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2005, 06:19:50 AM »
i sincerely doubt the rumours of incest were true. the valois siblings were close to each other but not that close.
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2005, 06:46:29 AM »


Well, Margot almost confesses it in her memoirs, can't recall the exact words. And Henry did confess it at a party... yes, I would say that incest did occur.
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2005, 08:52:56 AM »
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where did you read that?
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2005, 12:03:11 PM »
Well, I think Henri III was bisexual and perhaps he preferred males. He had many favourites called "mignons" (and, I think, the most important of them "archimignons").

Although the term just meant "favourite" at the time.
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2005, 03:15:24 PM »
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i sincerely doubt the rumours of incest were true. the valois siblings were close to each other but not that close.

I ahve also read this, it is Margot herelf who intimates that there was an "abnormal" relationship going on here. Read it in Leonie Frieda's biography of Catherine de Mdici..... a right riveting read if I may say ;D
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2005, 01:09:59 AM »
maybe they were just really really close! maybe there was  some fraternal jealousy! does it really have to mean incest?
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2005, 04:53:08 AM »


Yes, it means incest when it was said by the French Court and it was then 'confirmed' by one of the persons which were involved!


About Charles, Alexios, it was Henri who mantained a court of mignons, not Charles!
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2005, 05:22:16 AM »
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Yes, it means incest when it was said by the French Court and it was then 'confirmed' by one of the persons which were involved!


About Charles, Alexios, it was Henri who mantained a court of mignons, not Charles!

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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2005, 05:25:02 AM »


Ok, we agree then in Henri's homosexuality!
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2005, 06:02:57 AM »
I've seen it argued that Henri was not homosexual. According to this argument, getting the nobility to dress up in women's clothing was his way of diffusing the political tension caused by the Wars of Religion.

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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2005, 06:16:23 AM »


That would have been ingenious, but I think that statement is more than ingenuous! I mean, Henri kissed them in public (not a polite kiss) and they even touched in parties and similar events... so, I don't think it was JUST a political urgency! ;)
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2005, 06:18:53 AM »
He was very committed to the peace process!
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2005, 06:19:47 AM »

He was, indeed!  ;D
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2005, 06:54:21 AM »
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Ok, we agree then in Henri's homosexuality!

Was it well-known in on other European courts like Spain?
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Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2005, 11:22:21 AM »


Felipe said in a letter that Henri was very peculiar after what he had been told, but I can't remember having read that it was known that he had male "friends". But I imagine it was of common knowledge!
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