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Offline Vasaborg

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Re: The House of Braganca restored?!!!!
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2008, 01:20:20 PM »
Can anyone tell me if the uncle of the last King of  Portugal had any children? and did any of the Kings of the House of Saxe-Coburg Braganca have any natural Children?.

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« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2008, 03:15:50 PM »
Can anyone tell me if the uncle of the last King of  Portugal had any children? and did any of the Kings of the House of Saxe-Coburg Braganca have any natural Children?.

1. Infante D.Afonso did not have any children from his marriage to Nevada Stoody Hayes.
The "crook pretendant" Poidimani claims he is a descendant from a natural son of D.Afonso but that is rubbish.

2. King D.Carlos had a reputation of a womaniser, but apart from Hilda Toledano/Maria Pia - who could never proove her paternity - no other eventual children ever claimed to be his sons.

3. King D.Luis had at least one natural son (may be more) but he was never recognized and he is not officially considered his son.
The mother was a leading actress.

4. King D.Pedro V - definitely not. Appalling for him.

5. King D.Fernando II was rumoured to be the father of his second wife's daughter.
If you read portuguese, there is an interesting book on the Countess of Edla. Apparently dates don't match however.
For a long time, Elise Hensler told her daughter she was just her niece...

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Re: The House of Braganca restored?!!!!
« Reply #77 on: February 24, 2008, 12:38:45 PM »
Thank you very much for so much  information.!

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« Reply #78 on: February 24, 2008, 03:34:56 PM »
I do not think that there is enough political will and support for a restoration in Portugal, as much as many of us would like to witness it.

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« Reply #79 on: February 27, 2008, 02:12:53 PM »
Sadly, you are correct, Arturo.

And there is a very strong jacobine current installed at many levels, both political and in the media.

The celebration of the 100th anniversary of the regicide brought to light many information I was not aware.

F.i., after the regicide, João Franco's cabinet was dismissed and there was a general election.
The Republican Party (yes, it was allowed a republican party) obtained only 7% of the votes.
But its leaders were a bunch of ambitious men with a very clear determination.
They took control of the rebellion of 1910, which was not started by the Republican Party and used it for their own purposes.
Two of the leaders of the RP died before the revolution was victorious.
One comitted suicide as he thought the revolution had failed, the other, a mental doctor, was killed by one of his patients during a practice.

Later the Rep.Party took absolute control of the country, abolishing the liberties granted by the monarchy.
People who did not agree with the Rep.Party, were they republican or monarchic, were persecuted, banned, sent to jail.
All in the sacred name of the Republic.

No wonder they never had the guts to establish a referendum to legalize their assault to the power.
And almost 100 years later, the constitution still forces the country to abide to "the republican form of the state" instead of "a democratic form of state".

Strange but very revealing choices.

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« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2008, 04:02:51 PM »
It only takes a charismatic prince to stand in an election ..like Napoleon III. But most royal families today prefer the safety of well heeled animosity. Not one has the spirit of their ancestors . All the opportunities in the last century were thrown away for fear of loosing a comfortable life. Even De Gaulle regretted that Count of Paris did not come to him in London for the Greatness of France. I'm sure Salazar considered a restoration for the glory of Portugal  but was not inspired by the royal family as Franco was with JC. Oddly, Europe the land of lost monarchy is now a chaos of nationalism and xenophobia.