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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2005, 05:12:04 PM »
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I think that in those days, and especially in some social stratus, the idea of sex wasn´t so precocious as today  ;D...



True enough, but they were in their 20s, hardly children . . .
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2005, 05:14:16 PM »
It is strange indeed...but I believe that eventually something would happen...Probably papa Fernando would call Pedro to earth  ;)

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2005, 05:19:22 PM »
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It is strange indeed...but I believe that eventually something would happen...Probably papa Fernando would call Pedro to earth  ;)

But papa Fernando was very occupied with Elisa Hendler!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2005, 05:24:28 PM »
Maybe Pedro just knew the story of the bees...or that babies came from Paris...

P.S. Sorry Your Most Faithful Majesty...I don't want to ridicularise the situation... :-X  :D ;D :-X

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2005, 07:55:46 PM »
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Can anyone tell me why was Estefânia married to King Pedro? What was the political importance of the match? Because as far as I know the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringegn branch weren't too politically important at the time (not, at least, until her brother became King of Romania...

Did Pedro go into deep mourning for her?


Regarding benefits of the match, Prince Albert (the Prince Consort) wrote to his brother GD Ernst: ‘She will bring views of life with her which will not be those of the other old Catholic Houses. New blood and German culture, with Prussian and the North to lean upon, will strike you at once as being the advantages of the selection.’  

Queen Victoria felt deeply for Pedro following Stephanie's death and after his own wrote: "For him, dearest boy, I cannot repine! He was not happy and Stephanie's death was a blow--from which he never could rally--and now he is with his dear angel again--which it is such a comfort to think of and gives one a feeling of blessed calmness--and he has been spared the pain of having to marry again.'
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2005, 08:16:48 PM »
I think Queen Estefania was a perfect match for Pedro. Sad it did not last... :'(

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2005, 08:14:45 AM »
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I will remove my posts.

I don't want this thread about beautiful Estefânia to be a playground!  :-*


Ok, ok, point taken.  ;) Anyway, does anyone know what language Pedro and Stephanie spoke together? Did he speak German?
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2005, 08:22:26 AM »
Most probably he did spoke German, but as soon as the Stephanie's family was contacted to make this marriage she started to have Portuguese lessons...I believe that at the time they lived in Düsseldorf...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2005, 08:25:31 AM »
Were the two closely related? Through Pedro's paternal family perhaps?
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2005, 08:45:10 AM »
No I think they had no close genetic ties...The Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen married amongst the lesser ruling families of Germany...until Fst Karl Anton (Stephanie's father) married Josephine of Baden...Josephine was a grand-daughter of a Hesse-Darmstadt...there might be the only connection...But I think their common ancestor would have lived 200 years ago...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2005, 11:46:18 AM »
No close relation that I can tell. Stephanie's brother Leopold did marry Pedro's sister Infanta Antonia of Portugal and became parents to Ferdinand I of Romania. This was about 2 years after Stephanie died.
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2005, 02:20:18 PM »
There may have been some connection between king Pedro and queen Estefânia. King Pedro's mother was queen Maria II, and her first husband was Charles of Leuchtenberg (de Beauharnais). Queen Estefânia's maternal grandmother was Stéphanie de Beauharnais, married to Karl Ludwig, grand duke of Baden. Charles was the son of Napoleon's stepson Eugène, and Stéphanie, who was a relative of Eugène's (not very close, I think, second cousins or something like that) was adopted by Napoleon and one of her titles was Imperial Highness.

If the Portuguese royal family still maintained close relations with their Leuchtenberg (Beauharnais) relatives, that could be a little hint to why Pedro and Estefânia got matched. I admit it's somewhat far-fetched, but it's the only thing I could come up with.   :-/

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2005, 02:29:30 PM »
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There may have been some connection between king Pedro and queen Estefânia. King Pedro's mother was queen Maria II, and her first husband was Charles of Leuchtenberg (de Beauharnais). Queen Estefânia's maternal grandmother was Stéphanie de Beauharnais, married to Karl Ludwig, grand duke of Baden. Charles was the son of Napoleon's stepson Eugène, and Stéphanie, who was a relative of Eugène's (not very close, I think, second cousins or something like that) was adopted by Napoleon and one of her titles was Imperial Highness.

If the Portuguese royal family still maintained close relations with their Leuchtenberg (Beauharnais) relatives, that could be a little hint to why Pedro and Estefânia got matched. I admit it's somewhat far-fetched, but it's the only thing I could come up with.   :-/



Nope, they were not very close related at all
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=202378;l1=8;i1=208197;l2=7;i2=208196

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2005, 02:35:40 PM »
After Estefania's death, King Fernando considered asking for Princess Maria Pia of Italy's hand as a second wife for his son King Pedro. The untimely death of the latter put an end to this scheme. Maria Pia was therefore married to Pedro's younger brother and successor King Luiz.[/quote]

I never heard that.
There were no pratical plans for a second wedding because D. Pedro felt too much Stephanie's death and wouldn't listen to any.
His great uncle the duke of Loulé proposed one of his daughters but the offer was refused.

D. Maria Pia was not even a first choice for D. Luis.
First they thought of Stéphanie's younger sister Marie, later countess of Flanders, Infanta D. Antónia's candidate, but the idea of a second queen from the H-S house was considered too painful.
The next was A.D. Maria Teresia of Habsburg-Teschen, but for some reason her father refused the proposal.
So Maria Pia was the third and definitive choice.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2005, 02:41:59 PM »
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Nope, they were not very close related at all
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=202378;l1=8;i1=208197;l2=7;i2=208196



I know that Pedro and Estefânia were not closely related... I was only saying that there was a connection between the Portuguese royal family and Estefânia via the Leuchtenberg-de Beauharnais. I know it's far-fetched. Family connection doesn't necessarily mean close blood connection.