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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2009, 09:37:40 PM »



Oh dear god!!

not sure thats QV, but either way this oic is just amazing.

Pedro was so hansome.
from the top of the ocean to the bottom of the sky.
albert victor christian edward.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2009, 06:19:20 PM »
One of the rarest photos of Portugal' kings I have ever seen is this one:
It shows King Pedro V and his brother Prince Luiz (future King Luiz I) in England in the early 1850's with Queen Victoria (back towards the camera).
King Pedro was the most beloved of all Portuguese Kings. His qualities matched those of a much older man and he was prepared like no other for the duties of throne. He was called «the most beloved» and was the prototype of the Constitutional king. Queen Victoria and especially Prince Albert of Great Britain engaged a very interesting correspondence with King Pedro. They were brokenhearted by his death in 1861.


D.Pedro, the prototype of the Constitutional king ?
That's new.
Due to his high studies, D.Pedro was a very opinionated person who enfuriate his ministers as he always had a say in every issue.
As the young man he was, his (older) ministers just could not stand him.
Read the book of the letters he wrote to his mentor Pr. Albert.
It's all there black on white how he tried to interfere in the government action, and how furuious he became when the ministers blocked his will.

D.Pedro was a very much loved king.
The fact that he lost his beautiful wife added to the aura the people created on him.
But a Constitutional King ? Hardly.

His brother D.Luis was the true Constitutional King.
It was a schock for him when he became king, a task he never thought he would have to take, specially under the tragic circumstances it occurred.
D.Luis was a navy officer, used to the outdoor life, companionship with fellow officers, a woman at any harbour, etc...
Becoming king was a sacrifice for him, closed between the palace's walls.
But he managed to do his job quite well.
Not as bright as his brother, he realized his task was not the government affairs, so he took seriously his role of a constitutional monarch and dedicated himself to represent the country abroad, receive the heads of state that began to visit Portugal, and to his hobbies, the cello and translating Shakespeare into portuguese.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2009, 11:58:28 AM »
Read the book of the letters he wrote to his mentor Pr. Albert.

Sounds very interesting. Jose could you provide the title of the book ? I suppose it is in portuguese only though ...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2009, 12:07:27 PM »
"Correspondence between D.Pedro V and his "uncle" Prince Albert", by Maria Filomena Mónica.
And yes, AFAIK only in portuguese.

http://www.guardamor.com.pt/livro.php?id=185


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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2009, 08:23:43 PM »
I would love to buy it and translate it...by somebody...

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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2009, 03:52:55 PM »
The author(ess)? spend many time in Oxford.
She was even a Senior Associate Member at St.Anthony's College.
May be she kept goof contacts in England and could get her book translated...

I like her very much.
She is often invited for debates and writes in several papers and magazines.
A very blunt and determined woman.

http://www.mulheres-ps20.ipp.pt/Maria_Filomena_Monica.htm

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« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2009, 10:52:12 AM »
The author(ess)? spend many time in Oxford.
She was even a Senior Associate Member at St.Anthony's College.
May be she kept goof contacts in England and could get her book translated...

I like her very much.
She is often invited for debates and writes in several papers and magazines.
A very blunt and determined woman.


Wrong. This author likes to publish photographs and letters by other people with her own name in bigger letters on the title of the book. She has been known to do that for years and some newspaper crytics already said it. She also republishes books that were written before and does the same showoff. As with Marquesa of Rio Maior's memories (the real author of that is another person, in the 1930's) or these letters of King Pedro V.

The real author of this research was Ruben Andersen Leitao, and the book's first edition is from 1961.

(http://alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt/vercial/ruben.htm)

Monica's opinion on King Pedro is described by herself as the worse possible. Being a socialist, she hates what she calls his disbelief in the political system (she is married to a professional politician). She has also been spreading the most infamous gossips about King Pedro's private life (where is that fund-amented, one would ask: Rocha Martins???). Being powerful in political means, she is believed by some. Last weekend, some chronic on a daily newspaper goes on spreading those lies she tells, also without any reliable source mentioned.

Go and do your homework.

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« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2009, 11:06:26 AM »
The author(ess)? spend many time in Oxford.
She was even a Senior Associate Member at St.Anthony's College.
May be she kept goof contacts in England and could get her book translated...

I like her very much.
She is often invited for debates and writes in several papers and magazines.
A very blunt and determined woman.

Being a socialist, she hates what she calls his disbelief in the political system (she is married to a professional politician). She has also been spreading the most infamous gossips about King Pedro's private life (where is that fund-amented, one would ask: Rocha Martins???). Being powerful in political means, she is believed by some. Last weekend, some chronic on a daily newspaper goes on spreading those lies she tells, also without any reliable source mentioned.

Go and do your homework.

It's homework time again.

Maria Filomena Mónica is an independent left-winged person, one of the few I respect.
Her own disbelief in the political system is much higher than the one she credits D.Pedro for.
I am sure you are aware of her comments on the very indigent political class we unfortunately have, from the PM to ministers and MP's.
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Her current husband António Barreto was once a member of the Socialist Party from which he cut every draw bridge and today is a respected independent teacher of sociology and author.

If the gossips on D.Pedro are the ones I am thinking of, I would recommend you the Eduardo Nobre book "Paixões Reais"...
Or do you have any proove of the opposite that has escaped from all other history investigators ?

 I missed her article from last week end. Where was it published and what was the subject ?

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« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2009, 10:43:44 AM »

Being a socialist, she hates what she calls his disbelief in the political system (she is married to a professional politician). She has also been spreading the most infamous gossips about King Pedro's private life (where is that fund-amented, one would ask: Rocha Martins???). Being powerful in political means, she is believed by some. Last weekend, some chronic on a daily newspaper goes on spreading those lies she tells, also without any reliable source mentioned.

Go and do your homework.



-It's homework time again.

Great, I love homework and I have been doing some myself. As a result of it I am forced to conclude you must be close to Filomena Monica, or you would not have such consideration for someone who hates the Portuguese royals so much. Maybe you are Pinto Coelho??? And maybe Dona Antonia is close to another of your loved authors, Marina Tavares Dias. Maybe she is Rodrigues da Silva????

-Maria Filomena Mónica is an independent left-winged person, one of the few I respect.
Her own disbelief in the political system is much higher than the one she credits D.Pedro for.

Oh, that's new! She hates the King and does nothing but state so herself. She was given his biography by Circulo de Leitores and wrote less than the text of the appendix!

-I am sure you are aware of her comments on the very indigent political class we unfortunately have, from the PM to ministers and MP's.

In fact, she seems to hate anything outside her academic sphere of influence.


-Her current husband António Barreto was once a member of the Socialist Party from which he cut every draw bridge and today is a respected independent teacher of sociology and author.

I must laugh at this one! Barreto did not leave the Socialist Party. The Socialist Party left him. He is a political corpse!


-If the gossips on D.Pedro are the ones I am thinking of, I would recommend you the Eduardo Nobre book "Paixões Reais"...

My God, let me laugh more! Nobre is hardly a writer, let alone an Historian. His writing has more spelling errors that a minefield has mines! Another one of your own beloved authors (the Lisboa Desaparecida, remember?), Marina Tavares Dias once woke up with a headache and decided to publish him on her editing house because he lent her some photos of Queen Stephanie. I am still to know how can she sleep nights after that. Nobre has done nothing but throw dirt upon the Portuguese Royals (with th obvious exception of Miguel and his descendants). All he writes about is with whom they go to bed with.
If a person like that is considered a Royal supporter, I hate to think what a Republican must be like.


- I missed her article from last week end. Where was it published and what was the subject ?

It was not from your beloved writer, so be in peace. It was from Pedro Mexia.
It states the same old lies. They are not based on anything, and you are yet to tell me who started spreading them.
Or do you have any prove of the opposite that has escaped from all other historic investigators ?
This lie was not by Rocha Martins. I can tell who is it by: it was allegedly by Queen Maria Pia's doctor, who also allegedly performed an autopsy on Queen Stephanie's corpse. He also allegedly started joking and insulting the dead Queen.
This has only been told by someone who, in 1921, was trying to write about King Pedro V: Julio de Vilhena.
Mr. Vilhena never met Doctor Coutinho of course, since he had been dead for years. Dr. Coutinho never performed Queen Stephanie's autopsy. He was not even there. It is probable that the autopsy never even existed, since D. Pedro V never let anyone perform it.
Even if it had existed, don't you think spying the dead Queen's intimacy would not be necessary to know what she had as a throat disease???
So Nobre doesn't count, as he never investigated a single paper, only copies Rocha Martins to please Marina Tavares Dias. And Monica doesn't count either, because she hates D. Pedro V and follows any clue that can disrespect him, like Julio de Vilhena. No other «reliable sources» that I know of.

My homework is done, José. Go and do yours.

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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2009, 11:14:34 AM »
Well, I must say your homework is rather short-sighted and even short-minded.

You are absolutely free to choose the authors you like , so am I.

An d of course you realize you do not provide a shread of evidence of the statements you make :-)

It's rather tiresome to discuss with fundamentalists...

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« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2009, 01:14:48 PM »

Great, I love homework and I have been doing some myself. As a result of it I am forced to conclude you must be close to Filomena Monica, or you would not have such consideration for someone who hates the Portuguese royals so much. Maybe you are Pinto Coelho??? And maybe Dona Antonia is close to another of your loved authors, Marina Tavares Dias. Maybe she is Rodrigues da Silva????

-Maria Filomena Mónica is an independent left-winged person, one of the few I respect.
Her own disbelief in the political system is much higher than the one she credits D.Pedro for.

Oh, that's new! She hates the King and does nothing but state so herself. She was given his biography by Circulo de Leitores and wrote less than the text of the appendix!

-I am sure you are aware of her comments on the very indigent political class we unfortunately have, from the PM to ministers and MP's.

In fact, she seems to hate anything outside her academic sphere of influence.


-Her current husband António Barreto was once a member of the Socialist Party from which he cut every draw bridge and today is a respected independent teacher of sociology and author.

I must laugh at this one! Barreto did not leave the Socialist Party. The Socialist Party left him. He is a political corpse!


-If the gossips on D.Pedro are the ones I am thinking of, I would recommend you the Eduardo Nobre book "Paixões Reais"...

My God, let me laugh more! Nobre is hardly a writer, let alone an Historian. His writing has more spelling errors that a minefield has mines! Another one of your own beloved authors (the Lisboa Desaparecida, remember?), Marina Tavares Dias once woke up with a headache and decided to publish him on her editing house because he lent her some photos of Queen Stephanie. I am still to know how can she sleep nights after that. Nobre has done nothing but throw dirt upon the Portuguese Royals (with th obvious exception of Miguel and his descendants). All he writes about is with whom they go to bed with.
If a person like that is considered a Royal supporter, I hate to think what a Republican must be like.


- I missed her article from last week end. Where was it published and what was the subject ?

It was not from your beloved writer, so be in peace. It was from Pedro Mexia.
It states the same old lies. They are not based on anything, and you are yet to tell me who started spreading them.
Or do you have any prove of the opposite that has escaped from all other historic investigators ?
This lie was not by Rocha Martins. I can tell who is it by: it was allegedly by Queen Maria Pia's doctor, who also allegedly performed an autopsy on Queen Stephanie's corpse. He also allegedly started joking and insulting the dead Queen.
This has only been told by someone who, in 1921, was trying to write about King Pedro V: Julio de Vilhena.
Mr. Vilhena never met Doctor Coutinho of course, since he had been dead for years. Dr. Coutinho never performed Queen Stephanie's autopsy. He was not even there. It is probable that the autopsy never even existed, since D. Pedro V never let anyone perform it.
Even if it had existed, don't you think spying the dead Queen's intimacy would not be necessary to know what she had as a throat disease???
So Nobre doesn't count, as he never investigated a single paper, only copies Rocha Martins to please Marina Tavares Dias. And Monica doesn't count either, because she hates D. Pedro V and follows any clue that can disrespect him, like Julio de Vilhena. No other «reliable sources» that I know of.

My homework is done, José. Go and do yours.


Great, Amelio! You have succeeded in proving the Portugal's high-society circles are a bidet!
For someone who says he hates censorship you surely sound too much like a political police!
Go and do your homework again, because according to the Portuguese version of Wikipedia Rodrigues da Silva died recently. And he and Marina Tavares Dias didn't have children. So I can tell you she is almost old enough to be my mother. And no, I've never met her. All I have in common with her is that I read her books. But so did thousands of other readers. Get new homework and new clues to spy on people!
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Only now, after leaving, do I realize how much I love the Portuguese.»
 
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2009, 10:40:29 AM »
Marina Tavares Dias at Wikipedia - sorry, just in portuguese.

I really love her books, specially the Saga "Lisboa Desaparecida" "Long lost Lisbon" a 9 volume edition about the Lisbon that once exhisted .
She is widely considered a great olisipographer, and it won't be a single voice that will undermine her true value.

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tavares_Dias

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« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2009, 06:39:40 PM »
Volume 7 includes a chapter on Queen Stephanie and volume 8 has comprehensive information and pics about the Royal palaces and, of course, my own dear Princess Antonia.


«I am sometimes afraid of being so attached to my Country.
Only now, after leaving, do I realize how much I love the Portuguese.»
 
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« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2009, 07:45:11 PM »
...
I would recommend you the Eduardo Nobre book "Paixões Reais"...


Nobre has another book published recently and it includes an article on Princess Antonia: «O Trono a as Lagrimas».
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«I am sometimes afraid of being so attached to my Country.
Only now, after leaving, do I realize how much I love the Portuguese.»
 
Princess Antonia (letter to her brother, King Luiz, 1887)

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« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2009, 01:00:09 PM »
Yes, I have the Lisboa Desaparecida volumes and both the Eduardo Nobre books you mentione.

Also in "Casa Real" and "Família Real" by Nobre you will find great photos of this period.