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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2009, 05:48:10 PM »
Hi there, I'm new here.

I've always loved studying history, but I always had a thing for the 19th century, and I really love Peter V (blablabla I already know he wasn't constitutional enough). I'd like to get some help on some information related to him, mainly books. I've already read:

-Pedro V (biography by Maria Filomena Mónica)
-Paixões Reais (Eduardo Nobre)

I'd like to get the one about his letters to Prince Albert, but I'd like to buy it in a physical store, you know what I mean? I wish FNAC could sell it...

Anyway, could anyone tell me anything else?

BTW, is it true that the Necessidades Palace will open to the public next year? I'd love to go there  :)

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2009, 04:42:48 PM »
Hello there. I'm Portuguese, and I am really interested on their relationship. I've read some books about dear Peter V where it mentions how important Prince Albert was for the formation of Peter V's character. The thing is, whenever history speaks of this couple, there isn't any mentions on Peter V. I've also read that Peter V was like a son to them, because his character was much better (or practically similar to Prince Albert) than Bertie's.

So if anyone can give me any more information about this relationship, please share.  :)

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2009, 11:11:35 AM »
They saw in dom Pedro V a real opportunity for reform in Portugal.  I have a book that contains the letters between Prince Albert and King dom Pedro.  A large number of these communications center on Albert's inquiries and recommendations to Pedro about good governance.

It is clear that they had more faith in Pedro's abilities as a ruler, than they ever had in their own eldest son's capacity to become a good king, which in the end turned not to be the case as Edward VII was a great monarch.
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2009, 03:55:29 PM »
True.
There is this book "Correspondência entre D.Pedro V e o seu tio o Príncipe Alberto" where D.Pedro asks advices to Pr.Alberto and keeps aware of the portuguese situation and his disbelief in the portuguese politicians.

Nothing changed that much in 150 years sadly :-(

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2009, 04:12:58 PM »
Welcome.

There aren't many of us in this forum.

You probably know this book:

http://www.guardamor.com.pt/livro.php?id=185

As to the Necessidades Palace, I nvere heard it would open to the public.

I know that private tours can be arranged via the Secretaria of the Palace.

I visited it last year on the Museum's Day, when it was, unexpectedly, open.

Wonderful. A shame it is closed to the public...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2009, 05:16:35 AM »
All that I already knew, but thank you anyway.  :)

Actually I'd really like to know where I can find that book in Portugal. Too bad that there aren't many publications about Peter V :( I've only read his biography by Maria Filomena Mónica...

One more thing: if the influence of PA was so important to Peter V, I wonder why outside of Portugal that matter isn't that much discussed...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2009, 06:11:35 AM »
Do you know if I can find that book anywhere else?

Well, here it is, this news was in the Público newspaper, so I guess we can rely on it:

http://cidadanialx.blogspot.com/2008/04/palcio-das-necessidades-pode-abrir-ao.html

sorry people, only in portuguese.

So to where exactly should I call if I want a guided tour? Do I get access to most of the areas?

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2009, 01:17:19 PM »
That's great news, but ... the article is from 2008 and since then nothing changed.

You should call the secretaria of the F.Office. I am told she is a very nice lady that would do all she can to help you.

As I said, I visited on a day it was exceptionally opened to the public and had a grand tour of the palace.

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« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2009, 01:19:38 PM »
"One more thing: if the influence of PA was so important to Peter V, I wonder why outside of Portugal that matter isn't that much discussed..."

Maybe because, apart from the Discoveries period,not much of the portuguese history is discussed outside ...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2009, 01:27:23 PM »
"One more thing: if the influence of PA was so important to Peter V, I wonder why outside of Portugal that matter isn't that much discussed..."

Maybe because, apart from the Discoveries period,not much of the portuguese history is discussed outside ...

Too bad. Our history is very interesting... besides, we helped alot during WWI... if it weren't for our soldiers, the war would have arrived to the Iberian Peninsula...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2010, 08:06:52 PM »
Some claim that the King Pedro V studied his future wife’s ancestors and wrote to Prince Albert commenting that the Murat and Beauharnais’ branch didn’t particularly satisfy him, due to their connection with the families’ scandalous affairs. However his cousin remembered him that his grandfather’s (King Pedro IV, as well as his mother’s first husband) second wife was a Beauharnais.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2011, 07:41:34 AM »
I've just found out a little off-topic information about Stephanie! I've watched a documentary about the Hospital Dona Estefânia, which is the pediatric hospital which was built with Stephanie's dowry, and there are a lot of stories of the staff who works there, saying that they saw her ghost there and that she is very protective towards the children. I think it's a little far-fetched, but it's a really interesting story.  :)
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« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2012, 12:53:51 AM »
Did Pedro and Stephanie never meet before she arrived into Portugal after their proxy marriage in Berlin?

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2013, 02:25:48 PM »
I'm currently reading a very interesting book by Ricardo Raimundo called "Escândalos da Monarquia Portuguesa" ("Scandals of the Portuguese Monarchy" - http://www.wook.pt/ficha/escandalos-da-monarquia-portuguesa/a/id/14679077). I highly recommend it if you, like me, like those side stories which are much more interesting than "ordinary" History, but obviously too irrelevant to make it.

Anyway, one of the book chapters is dedicated, precisely, to Pedro V and his very odd relationship towards women, including his wife Stephanie. As this is one of my favourite couples in Portuguese History, I was very glad to read some information I had never heard about them and decided to share it with those who don't understand Portuguese as this book is still not available in any other language. The book mentions that King Pedro V was a very introspective young men who had showed signs of high intellect since a young age. Probably because he was more intelligent than most people he knew, he didn't feel fulfilled when talking to others and found most people, specially women, to be extremely stupid, so he isolated himself from society. In addition to his awkward social skills, Pedro was also painfully shy and prude. The only woman whose company he found enjoyable was precisely his future wife, Princess Staphanie, who he met in Dusseldorf in September 1854, when they were both 17. They shared the same interests and so became deeply attached to each other, being often seen walking hand-in-hand in the Palace park. However, there was a deeply afflicting issue in their marriage: after one year, they still didn't have any children.

Many at court suggested that there might be something wrong with the couple and some even suggested that the marriage had not yet been consummated. After Queen Staphanie's death, the doctors mentioned that, in scientific terms, she was still a virgin (her hymen was intact), which fed these rumors even further.

However, Stephanie wrote the following in a letter to her mother regarding her first night as a married woman:

"The Duchess of Terceira was with me until I went to bed and then Pedro came, but I could not sleep for one second the entire night." She then adds, in German (the rest of the letter had been written in French): "I felt rather embarrassed, uncomfortable and I feel that, all in all, this habit of man and wife sleeping together is not very pleasant."

Up to a certain degree, this seems to suggest that something "unconformable" happened on their wedding night. Furthermore, both Stephanie and Pedro mentioned to friends and family that they would like to have children. Pedro even mentioned in a letter to one of his uncles that he would love to have a big family.

After reading this, my conclusion is that Pedro and Stephanie were very much in love with each other, but being both so young, inexperienced and shy, they didn't have enough time to be completely comfortable with each other and even less to produce a child, which is very unfortunate.
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