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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2012, 11:36:40 AM »


Queen Victoria's water colour of "Stephanie.....lovely in white tulle spangled with gold" on her visit to Windsor in May 1858 on her way to Lisbon.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2012, 10:07:32 PM »
Was it based on a portrait ?

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« Reply #92 on: August 27, 2012, 03:43:13 AM »
Was it based on a portrait ?

Yes, I'm assuming the pose in particular is loosely based on the portrait below, which has been dated to 1858 (I've never seen it attributed to a particular painter - it could have been simply engraved directly for book or magazine or just for sale to the public and not in its turn based on a portrait).  It is very prettified, whereas Queen Victoria was not inclined to flatter anyone.  I'm not sure how much of a likeness she was able to catch, but it looks more like some of the photos of Stephanie rather than the portrait, and of course has the advantage of Stephanie's hair and skin colour which the Queen would have seen herself.


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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #93 on: August 27, 2012, 08:27:52 AM »
Yes that is the painting that Victoria based the likeness on I think.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2013, 02:25:48 PM »
I'm currently reading a very interesting book by Ricardo Raimundo called "Escândalos da Monarquia Portuguesa" ("Scandals of the Portuguese Monarchy" - http://www.wook.pt/ficha/escandalos-da-monarquia-portuguesa/a/id/14679077). I highly recommend it if you, like me, like those side stories which are much more interesting than "ordinary" History, but obviously too irrelevant to make it.

Anyway, one of the book chapters is dedicated, precisely, to Pedro V and his very odd relationship towards women, including his wife Stephanie. As this is one of my favourite couples in Portuguese History, I was very glad to read some information I had never heard about them and decided to share it with those who don't understand Portuguese as this book is still not available in any other language. The book mentions that King Pedro V was a very introspective young men who had showed signs of high intellect since a young age. Probably because he was more intelligent than most people he knew, he didn't feel fulfilled when talking to others and found most people, specially women, to be extremely stupid, so he isolated himself from society. In addition to his awkward social skills, Pedro was also painfully shy and prude. The only woman whose company he found enjoyable was precisely his future wife, Princess Staphanie, who he met in Dusseldorf in September 1854, when they were both 17. They shared the same interests and so became deeply attached to each other, being often seen walking hand-in-hand in the Palace park. However, there was a deeply afflicting issue in their marriage: after one year, they still didn't have any children.

Many at court suggested that there might be something wrong with the couple and some even suggested that the marriage had not yet been consummated. After Queen Staphanie's death, the doctors mentioned that, in scientific terms, she was still a virgin (her hymen was intact), which fed these rumors even further.

However, Stephanie wrote the following in a letter to her mother regarding her first night as a married woman:

"The Duchess of Terceira was with me until I went to bed and then Pedro came, but I could not sleep for one second the entire night." She then adds, in German (the rest of the letter had been written in French): "I felt rather embarrassed, uncomfortable and I feel that, all in all, this habit of man and wife sleeping together is not very pleasant."

Up to a certain degree, this seems to suggest that something "unconformable" happened on their wedding night. Furthermore, both Stephanie and Pedro mentioned to friends and family that they would like to have children. Pedro even mentioned in a letter to one of his uncles that he would love to have a big family.

After reading this, my conclusion is that Pedro and Stephanie were very much in love with each other, but being both so young, inexperienced and shy, they didn't have enough time to be completely comfortable with each other and even less to produce a child, which is very unfortunate.
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #95 on: May 11, 2013, 05:32:56 PM »
Interesting.

The letter could be interpreted 2 ways:

1) The marriage wasn't consummated and the uncomfortableness and inability to sleep was the result of a sheltered young woman suddenly sleeping with a man she barely knew in very intimate circumstances. It can take people raised in a much more modern age awhile to get used to the intimacy of sharing a bed with someone, let alone someone raised in a strict Victorian home. I couldn't sleep when I first started sharing a bed--I felt like there was no space and my privacy was being invaded somewhat. Who knows how that would've felt to a girl such as Stephanie.

2) The marriage WAS consummated and, given that both partners were shy and inexperienced, it could've gone very badly from a pleasure standpoint. There are all kinds of issues with making sure a virgin has a relatively comfortable first experience. Given that this was probably Pedro's first time as well, he probably didn't know what the heck he was doing let alone how to make it comfortable for his young wife.
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #96 on: May 12, 2013, 12:01:46 PM »
The 3rd explanation is that their marriage was not "fully" consummated. That is they did consummate it but not enough to have a child...

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #97 on: May 19, 2013, 06:30:56 PM »
D. Pedro was shy, prude and proud.

He did not tolerate his Father's behaviour regarding women, and was much against his relation with Elise Hensler, whom D.Fernando finally married to have peace with old Infanta D. Isabel Maria, known for her extreme bigottery who nagged him for his sinful life.

OTOH Infante D. Luis, the sailor-prince, although one year younger, had a much vast experience with women which also exasperate prude D.Pedro who never cease to recriminate him.

One thing is true however: after D. Estefânia's death, D.Pedro contemplated the idea of re-marrying and father a son who would continue the dynasty.
Probably not to have his brother and his eventual descendants in the succession line.

The fact that he contemplated re-marrying, or so he let know of this intentions, makes one wonder how would he foresee his sex-life.

A second marriage without any children would seem odd for a normal healthy man, at a time where infertility was always the woman's fault. 

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2013, 01:30:55 AM »
I think he might be sterile. A possibility I mean.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2014, 12:08:36 PM »
It is a pity I arrived only now. I would love to have seen all the pictures posted here (because now I only see an "x" on the place of the photo) about Queen Stephanie and King Pedro V of Portugal. Perhaps someone wouldn't mind to post some again, especially of Queen Stephanie (Estefânia). I only know about 3 or 4 photos of her...I would love to see more, for instance has she some photos where she appears with her parents? I know the one where she is with her sister Marie but is there any others of her with her brothers?

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #100 on: February 15, 2014, 11:09:11 AM »
She was a beauty. I saw a painting of her in Schloss Sigmaringen.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2014, 01:13:05 PM »


In Düsseldorf the "Stephanienstraße" (Stephaniestreet) was named after the Queen of Portugal.

The picture is from the website Frauengeschichte in Düsseldorfer Straßennamen (Womens history in the street names of Düsseldorf)

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2014, 01:20:00 PM »


Titled as Princess of Hohenzollern - I think it is Stephanie.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2014, 01:37:17 PM »


Stephanie was after Maria Sophia of Neuburg the second german Queen of Portugal.
Adelheid of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg was just Queen in exile.