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Offline CountessKate

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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2011, 09:15:57 AM »
I would be interested to see if you can find anything out as to why Olga Nikolaevna should have thought as she did about her aunt's marriage.  Of course, Olga was unhappily married herself, and could have seen marital disagreements from a skewed perspective - considering them more painful than they actually were.  In addition, Anna Pavlovna didn't get on particularly well with her Wurttemburg relations - she disliked her sister Catherine Pavlovna, who married the King of Wurttemburg, and she disliked Catherine's daughter Sophie, who became her own daughter-in-law - a dislike fully reciprocated by Sophie herself.  So there may have been something there also.  As the daughter of her beloved brother Nicholas, Olga may have escaped the anti-Wurttemburg feelings, but might have seen Anna Pavlovna's hostility in action, without exactly knowing their origin - and drawn the wrong conclusions.  Additionally, Olga may have been influenced by her sister-in-law Sophie, who loathed Anna Pavlovna ("the old Queen, like a she-tiger is lying in the bush and the best thing for perverse people and furious animals is to stare in their eyes, never turn our backs on them.....") and who wrote of Anna's reaction to Nicholas I's death, "The Queen Mother here learnt of it through a telegraphic message from the new Emperor.  I saw her an hour and a half afterwards, there was no tear, no pang - she made des phrases just as she had made on her son's and her husband's deaths."  Sophie was incapable of seeing any good in Anna Pavlovna, and, while she and Olga were not especially friendly, she nevertheless might have coloured Olga's views on Anna's behaviour which were incredibly unfair.  Not that Anna Pavlovna's views on Sophie were any better!

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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2011, 07:58:49 AM »
GD Olga Nikolaevna`s memories:

1834, visit of Anna Pavlovna and her husband and their son , the future king Willem

"Anna Pavlovna was a real grand dame whose French was impeccable", writes Olga Nikolaevna.

But her impression of Anna Pavlovna`s son was far from positive, she calls him a 'moron" who often misbehaves e.g. by throwing a dog in the face of Alexandra Nikolaevna`s governess who selected him as a partner in one of the games. In fact, nobody wanted to have anything in common with the young prince. He was often punished for his misdeeds. THE PRINCE OF ORANGE ADMITTED THAT HE DIDN`T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDREN`S UPBRINGING. NEVERTHELESS HE OBJECTED TO HIS WIFE`S DECISION`S CONCERNING THEIR SON. THE COUPLE`S FAMILY LIFE WAS UNHAPPY.

this is all that I`ve found in GD Olga Nikolaevna`s memories on her aunt`s marriage. No more info on Anna Pavlovna`s presumably unhappy life.

 
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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2011, 08:02:47 AM »
this is what empress maria feodorovna wrote to anna pavlovna about her daughter`s marriage:


letter, 0f 16.08.1822

your happy marriage,my dear, is the joy of my life. may god preserve it and prolong it...


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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2011, 09:30:50 AM »
Marie Feodorowna had no clue,I think,or choose not to have one.Her own marriage with Paul,well,anything else must
have been heaven to the poor woman,and besides,I think all and each was well aware that letters & other documents
would end up in archives for all to read later,another reason not to be too open officially.But Marie must have known.
Especially after the robbery of Anna's jewelry and her subsequent refusal of seeing her Guillaume for a while,she had heard
the "rumours" too.Lets say " she had to give them a place"...before she was on speaking terms with her husband again.
At that time,Anna made requests for new jewelry and precious stones.Peanuts for her family as they didn't know where
with it so Anna did receive another impressive collection from mama and her brother,the Tsar.


Unhappy,in a way yes,it certainly would be called a dysfunctional family these days.CP and later King Willem II had his
ins- and outs.One was the conflict with his father,King Willem I,on the running of the country and him being unhappy
for the keeping at arms lenght by his father from state affairs.He was a coniving man,making deal with the King of France
of separating the Wallone part of Belgium,treason,a slap in the face of his father Willem I,again.Willem I didn't see his heir
fit to rule and preserve what Willem I had so carefully build up after the french occupation was ended and the Orange-Nassau's
were requested to return to The Netherlands.Willem I was right on Willem II,he didn't particularly do all that much,but
the debts kept building up....

Later he,Willem II,got his revenge if one can call it that,as his father decided to marry a catholic former Lady in Waiting to his
first wife Mimi,néé Princess Wilhelmina of Prussia.A belgian Countess and catholic,while the Northern and the Southern Netherlands
just had ended the conflict (and the most silly revolution there ever has been I hurry to add...).Willem I was forced,saw no other
way then to Abdicate in 1840 and moving to Berlin with his Henriette.From that moment on the son and Anna found eachother in
totally rejecting the idea of his fathers marriage and the subsequent ignoring of the father and his new bride.Anna was perfect
at that,never forgetting she was a born Grand Duchess of Russia who married one of the heroes of Waterloo,she held her pretty
little nose up and pretended no-one else was there except her,an egocentric woman.Another problem in the marriage was the
gambling,or making incredible debts anyway,and the manouvering into blackmail positions.
The latter lead to the believe that the robbery of most if not all of Anna Pavlovna's jewelry from their Palace in Brussels,
was something of a scheme by Willem to pay his debts or the blackmailer(s).Willem was said to be bi-sexual,I said:
said,I never bedded him so it's only hear say allthough persistent I must admit.

Anna comforted herself with her russian chapel,her russian choir and the immens chainsmoking Russian woman who was
her "personal assistant",while Willem had his way with his fling for anything gothic,designing and building new edifices
in that style.When he died in his own design neo-gothic  Palace in Tilburg,Anna was at Soestdijk and travelled to Tilburg
immediatly.She was,and always had been,besotted with her "Guillaume" ,and had a room dedicated to him at Soestdijk that
is unchanged till today.
At his death in 1849,the debts were such,especially those to his brother in law Tsar Nicolas I,that Anna saw no other
way out as to give most of the Dutch Masters from the private collection,including many Rembrandt's,to Nicolas which is
how and why  the Hermitage St.Petersburg has that many of them.Thanks to a Prince with a hole in his hand....

The son and Heir,the future Willem III had no contact with his father and only very rarely with his mother,a disfunctional kid.
He was downright angry at his father for signing the Constitution of 1848 which abolished Absolute Monarchy and
the start of the Constitutional Monarchy we know here since.He was in England when Willem II died,and,refused to return home
and take up his task as a Monarch.It took days and a lot of words I won't repeat here,before he finally decided to return.
The son had always been a problem child,yes.His marriage with Sophie was a disaster,their son Maurits's dead meant an even wider
gap between Willem III and Sophie,who,I must say,wasn't the easyest kid on the block either.Far superior to her husband in
the intellectual field,she wasn't intellectual enough to stand above that and to guide him with a gentle hand.Not that that would
have made that much of a difference,Willem III was a difficult man,misunderstood maybe we would say today.Conflicts with his
sons,perticularly his Heir Willem,Wiwill in the family,who moved to Paris out of protest as his father forbid him to marry the woman
he loved,a second son who died of TBC at Madeira,and then finally,only his youngest son was left,Alexander with whom he hardly
had any contact at all.Alexander became Heir after Wiwill died in Paris,a position this lonely looner didn't want.He was totally
besotted with his mother Queen Sophie,and was lost when she died.He lived alone in his little Palace in The Hague,and he lived there
at the time of the marriage of the King to Emma.As a sign of disapproval he closed the windowshutters all day.His half-sister Wilhelmina
was born the next year and the year after that he himself died.Wilhelmina had never actually known her three half-brothers,yet she
would speak affectionately about;" the four of us" in her later life.Difficult to judge all the family now really,you have to see it all in the day
and age,the time but you don't have to envy a Royal for being Royal at any time,even tho times have changed.

Anna's daughter Sophie was the apple in mommy's eye and was married off to the Grand Duke of Saxen-Weimar.
In her later years she was a immense support her sister in law,the Queen Regent Emma and to her niece,
the Princess Wilhelmina and it was a blow to both to loose the Lady that gave such valuable advice to two young
and unexperienced Ladies.They would catch-up on that later..

But back to Anna.When she died all was according to the rituals of the Russian Orthodox Church,meaning the next of kin were
to mourn next to an open coffin.Here comes d-i-l Queen Sophie,true or highly exaggerated but she claims;"  the stence was such
she didn't know where to turn" .....Even in death,there was the constant bickering between unhappy people.
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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM »


This portrait of young Anna Pavlovna by Jean Desire Muneret bringing Isabey style portraiture with swirling scarves east to Russia. 1816
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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2013, 09:44:45 PM »
A wonderfull exhibition opened at the Hermitage Sint Petersburg on King Willem II and Queen Anna Pavlovna"

"Royal Splendour at the Netherlands Court" ,Armorial Hall,Hermitage.From september 25th till january 12th 2014.

And an exhibition on Dutch architecture will open at the General Staff Building,St.Petersburg on october 16th.


http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/


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Re: Anna Pavlovna, Queen of the Netherlands
« Reply #66 on: May 25, 2015, 02:21:52 PM »
Portrait of Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna, daughter of Paul I and Queen consort of the Netherlands. Painted by Timoteo Neff  in 1856. It was in the collection of a the Museum of Fine Arts of Yeketerinburg simply labeled as “portrait of a woman” but recently the real identity of the lady was pointed out by the Head of the Department of Russian and foreign art, Olga Gornug.



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« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2015, 03:52:29 AM »
Beautifull portrait Yelena!!!It is clear this is Anna indeed!



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