Children of Kaiser Wilhelm & Empress Augusta Victoria (Dona)

How exactly is "Eitel" pronounced? (How, for that matter, do Germans pronounce "Joachim"?)

I read an awkward translation from the German Wikipedia about the origin of this unusual name, Eitel Friedrich. It seems to have been common amongst the Hohenzollerns, and from what I read either meant "Vain Frederick" or "Only Frederick," which is odd, considering that Wilhelm II's son of that name had three other baptismal names.

Can anyone shed light on this name? What about the origins of the various names of Wilhelm II's children? I would assume Prince Oscar Carl Gustav Adolf was named in honor of the King of Sweden.

"Eitel" is a very old German name and it´s meaning was "only" like wikipedia suggested. As Wilhelm II. seemed to like anything old he also digged out this name which hadn´t been used for a long time in the Prussian Royal family.
Nowadays "eitel" mean vain, so the meaning hzas changed a lot!

Prince Oskar was indeed named after Oskar II of Sweden as Wilhelm made his first state visit to Sweden.

With regard to pronounciation: I suppose a smart answer would be that it depends on what part of Germany you are in, as there are quite strong local dialects. Joking apart, German is pronounced pretty much as it it written, provided you know the basic rules. Thus "Eitel" (what a dreadful name!) is pronounced as "eye tel" (with stress on the latter part), while "Joachim" is pronounced "Yo ach eem", again with stress on the "eem". I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong!!

The German people I know with the name Joachim pronounce it:  "Yo ach im" with the accent on "ach".

Hi

I found infos about this topic on the website Amtspresse Preussen after a research
I give you what I found


1. 1882 SKH  Friedrich-Wilhelm --> SM Kaiser Wilhelm I¨König von Preussen, SKKH Kronprinz von Preussen, SKH Heinrich Prinz von Preussen, SH Ernst-Günther Herzog zu Schleswig-Holstein, SKH Friedrich-Karl Prinz von Preussen, SKH Albrecht Prinz von Preussen
SM Kaiserin Augusta, Königin von Preussen, IKKH Kronprinzessin von Preussen (Princess Royal of UK), IH Adelheid Herzogin-mutter zu Schleswig-Holstein, IKH Viktoria Prinzessin von Preussen (Prinzessin Adolf zu Schaumburg-Lippe)

2. 1883 SKH Eitel-Friedrich --> SM Karl I König von Rumänien (geboren Prinz von Hohenzollern), SKH Kronprinz von Schweden (Gustaf V), HRH Alfred Prince of UK Duke of Edinburgh, HRH Prinz Christian von Holstein-Augustenburg
IKH Kronprinzessin von Schweden (Viktoria von Baden), HIH Duchess of Edinburgh (Maria Alexandrowna von Rüssland), HRH Princess Christian of Holstein-Augustenburg (Helena of UK), IKH Herzogin Wilhelm von Mecklenburg-Schwerin (Alexandrine von Preussen)

3. 1884 SKH Adalbert --> SKKH Ferdinand-Salvator Erzherzog von Österreich, Prinz von Ungarn, Grossherzog von Toskana, SM Karl I König von Württemberg, SM König von Bayern (Otto I ?), SKH Arnulf Prinz von Bayern, SKH Friedrich Erbgrossherzog von Baden (Friedrich II)
IKKH Olga Königin von Württemberg (Olga Alexandrowna von Rüssland) , IKH Alexandrine Grossherzogin-Mutter zu Mecklenburg-Schwerin (Alexandrine von Preussen), IKH Erbprinzessin von Sachsen-Meiningen (Charlotte von Preussen), IKH Prinzessin Friedrich-Leopold von Preussen (Luise-Sophie von Holstein-Augustenburg)

4. 1887 SKH August-Wilhelm --> SKH Luitpold Prinz-Regent von Bayern, SKKH  Albrecht Erzherzog von Österreich, Prinz von Ungarn, Herzog von Teschen
I read nothing about his godmothers

5. 1888 SKH Oskar --> SM Oskar II König von Schweden, SM Albert König von Sachsen, SKKH Erzherzog Karl von Österreich, Prinz von Ungarn, SKH Friedrich-Leopold Prinz von Preussen, SKH Alexander Prinz von Preussen, SM Karola Königin von Sachsen, SKH Kronprinzessin von Griechenland (Sophie-Dorothee von Preussen)

6. 1890 SKH Joachim --> SM Umberto I Re d'Italia, SKH Albrecht Prinz von Preussen, IKKH Wera Herzogin von Württemberg (Wera Konstantinowna von Rüssland), IKH Prinzessin Heinrich von Preussen (Irene von Hessen-Darmstadt), IKH Prinzessin Friedrich-Karl von Hessen-Kassel (Margarethe von Preussen)
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I hope I forgot nothing
I read nothing about Viktoria-Luise sorry

I thought a while ago that  woman didn't look like Marie Augusta, the features too sharp for her. And I've got a clue! That's Karoline Stockhammer, second spouse of Prince Joachim Albrecht of Prussia, they married in 1920...I think the confusion came from the titles : Prinzessin Joachim

Ah, that makes sense. I've always thought the same thing--poses from the 3rd photo are always ID'd as MA and it never seemed right to me.

I found a few interesting articles from the NY Times online archive. I found them immensely interesting to read because I was so shocked to discover how little the press has changed since the first quarter of the century. They are mostly concerned with the Kaiser and co.

On Prince Adalbert's would-be marriage to Princess Dagmar of Denmark:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B04E2DD173EE233A2575BC0A9649D946697D6CF

Adalbert's supposed opinion of Americans:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9403EEDE163CE633A25753C1A96F9C946096D6CF

Prince Oscar's morganatic marriage plans:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=990CE3DC1F39E633A25754C2A9639C946596D6CF

Prince Adalbert's 1914 death:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9505E3D81638E633A2575AC2A96F9C946596D6CF

Hope it may be of interest . Could anyone tell me the correct pronunciation of Adalbert? Thankyou.

I thought a while ago that  woman didn't look like Marie Augusta, the features too sharp for her. And I've got a clue! That's Karoline Stockhammer, second spouse of Prince Joachim Albrecht of Prussia, they married in 1920...I think the confusion came from the titles : Prinzessin Joachim

Caroline "Lilli" Stockhammer, the lady who had a son with Duke Franz Joseph in Bavaria? Wow, I've never seen pictures of her!

I thought a while ago that  woman didn't look like Marie Augusta, the features too sharp for her. And I've got a clue! That's Karoline Stockhammer, second spouse of Prince Joachim Albrecht of Prussia, they married in 1920...I think the confusion came from the titles : Prinzessin Joachim

Thanks for clarification Sveta,never seen pictures of her before until now

 

Prince Adalbert's 1914 death:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9505E3D81638E633A2575AC2A96F9C946596D6CF

 

Ok i dont get this..how a serious newspaper talks about the death of Prinz Adalbert when  he died in 1948 in Switzerland? 0_o

Yes that's why I put 1914 death as opposed to his actual 1948 death, to distinguish between the two. It must have just been because of the confusion during war time that they were fooled by their sources. Wouldn't it have been terrible if Adalbert actually HAD died then? He was only married a month before!

 

Prince Adalbert's 1914 death:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9505E3D81638E633A2575AC2A96F9C946596D6CF

 

Ok i dont get this..how a serious newspaper talks about the death of Prinz Adalbert when  he died in 1948 in Switzerland? 0_o

Because things were extremely chaotic back then without near the technology we have to day to quickly ascertain the truth? Their might also have been confusion with another German prince who was killed.

By the way...Which gerrman prince (s) died on the WWI?

Prince Adalbert's first cousin once-removed, Prince Maurice of Battenberg was killed around the same time - October 1914.  Also Prince Frederick John of Saxe-Meiningen and Prince Heinrich of Bavaria. Can't think of any others at the moment.