List of the Line of Succession

What is the current current list of the Line of succession to the Russian Throne according to H.I.H. Grand Duchess Maria Vladirowna?

1) H.I.H Grand Duke George of Russia
2) ?..

What is the current current list of the Line of succession to the Russian Throne according to H.I.H. Grand Duchess Maria Vladirowna?

1) H.I.H Grand Duke George of Russia
2) ?..

See http://macedonsky.narod.ru/cognates.html

Thank you very Macedonsky, but still is not clear to me the current list to throne regarding H.I.H Grand Duchess Maria Vladirowna of Russia.
I hear from some sources that the second in the line is HM King Constantine of Greece, is that true?

Thank you very Macedonsky, but still is not clear to me the current list to throne regarding H.I.H Grand Duchess Maria Vladirowna of Russia.
I hear from some sources that the second in the line is HM King Constantine of Greece, is that true?

That's wrong.

George Mihailovich and his future issue
Issue of Maria Kirillovna (m.Leiningen)
Issue of Kira Kirillovna (m.Prussia)
Issue of Helena Vladimirovna (m.Greece)
Issue of Maria Alexandrovna (m.United Kingdom)
Pss Catherine Ioannovna - renounced her rights
Issue of Olga Constantinovna (m.Greece) - King Constantine II of the Hellenes  is here
Issue of Vera Constantinovna (m.Württemberg)
and so on

Thank you again Macedonsky,

Is this correct?


•      Her Imperial Highness Helena Vladimirovna and her issue, (since she married equal and orthodox) Here it should comes HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia but he renounce to his orthodox faith and married a catholic.

•      Regarding Their Imperial Highness Grand Duchesses Vera Constantinova, Maria Alexandrovna, Maria and Kira Kirillovna. They married equal but they renounce to their orthodox faith after they married to a man of another faith therefore they lost their corresponding rights to the Russian throne so their issue too.

•      Regarding Princess Catherine Ioannova she married a noble person and not a royal or an equal house and she also renounce her orthodox fait and married to a catholic noble man. She also loses her rights to the Russian throne.

Therefore I understand the corresponding list to the Russian Throne regarding Maria Vladirowna it should look like this;

1st George Mihailovich and his future issue are in the line.

2nd Olga Constantinovna and her issue, ( since she married equal and orthodox ) Here is come from HM King Constantine, he made a orthodox and equal marriage, but his heir Prince Paul married a Commoner, therefore regarding HM King Constantine will be followed by his other sons and daughters if they respect the succession law.

Please feel free to correct me.

Thank you again Macedonsky,

Is this correct?


•      Her Imperial Highness Helena Vladimirovna and her issue, (since she married equal and orthodox) Here it should comes HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia but he renounce to his orthodox faith and married a catholic.

•      Regarding Their Imperial Highness Grand Duchesses Vera Constantinova, Maria Alexandrovna, Maria and Kira Kirillovna. They married equal but they renounce to their orthodox faith after they married to a man of another faith therefore they lost their corresponding rights to the Russian throne so their issue too.

•      Regarding Princess Catherine Ioannova she married a noble person and not a royal or an equal house and she also renounce her orthodox fait and married to a catholic noble man. She also loses her rights to the Russian throne.

Therefore I understand the corresponding list to the Russian Throne regarding Maria Vladirowna it should look like this;

1st George Mihailovich and his future issue are in the line.

2nd Olga Constantinovna and her issue, ( since she married equal and orthodox ) Here is come from HM King Constantine, he made a orthodox and equal marriage, but his heir Prince Paul married a Commoner, therefore regarding HM King Constantine will be followed by his other sons and daughters if they respect the succession law.

Please feel free to correct me.

Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia did not renounce his Orthodox faith. He did marry a Catholic the first time around, but by your logic someone who marries outside of the faith ceases to be Orthodox?

The requirement is that the spouse of the Head of the Imperial Russian House be Orthodox. I suppose that if the succession ever came to Crown Prince Aleksander and he truly wanted to be the Head of the Imperial Russian House, his wife would have to convert to Orthodoxy.

David

First of all the Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia that I mean is not the crow Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia. The one I mean is HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia son of HRH Prince Paul of Yugoslavia and HRH Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark and a grandson from his mother side of HRH Prince Nicholas of Greece and HIH Grand Duchess Helen Vladirowna of Russia ( here is where his rights to the Russian throne come from )
This is the Prince Alexander I mean;
1d) Alexander (b.White Lodge, Richmond, Surrey 13 Aug 1924); m.1st Cascais 12 Feb 1955 (div 1967) Maria Pss of Savoy (b.Naples 24 Sep 1934); m.2d Paris 2 Nov 1973 Barbara Pss von und zu Liechtenstein (b.Mährisch-Sternberg 9 Jul 1942)

As you see he married twice and even when he married a woman from equal house they both did not convert to the orthodox faith and such is not qualified under the rules to be Emperor of All the Russias. He and his heirs need to be Orthodox to qualify under the Russian rules. If not he should be immediately barred from succession throne. And re-conversion to the orthodox faith would not automatically restore his succession rights. Only the reigning Czar or the legal claimant can restore those rights.

Regarding Their Imperial Highness Grand Duchesses Vera Constantinova, Maria Alexandrovna, Maria and Kira Kirillovna. They married equal but they renounce to their orthodox faith after they married to a man of another faith therefore they lost their corresponding rights to the Russian throne so their issue too.
Please feel free to correct me.

First of all, none of Russian Grand Duchesses or Princesses of the Blood Imperial converted from the Orthodox faith.

But religion is irrelevant until the person is called to the succession. For that very case there is clause in law which required the conversion into the Orthodoxy before accession.

It is not necessary to ask conversion for a person far in line of succession ("far" here is more than 1).

What is the current current list of the Line of succession to the Russian Throne according to H.I.H. Grand Duchess Maria Vladirowna?

1) H.I.H Grand Duke George of Russia
2) ?..

H.I.H Grand Duke George of Russia don`t exist,

exist : H.I.H Georg , Prince of Prussia

H.I.H Grand Duke George of Russia don`t exist,

exist : H.I.H Georg, Prince of Prussia

First of all, please use Orthodox form for Orthodox person: George Mihailovich, not Lutheran 'Georg'.

At second, why do you call Prince of Prussia with the style of Imperial Highness? Prussia never was Empire.

Finally, please give us base of your statement. For example, something like your 'humble' opinion...

of course more correct is H.I.H  and H.R.H prince of Prussia.

I think you are not very strong about title.

Maria Pavlovna was  a H.I.H princcess of Sweden

Because she was a H.I.H

And of course as a members of imperial family princes of Prussia are a H.I.H.

of course more correct is H.I.H  and H.R.H prince of Prussia.

I think you are not very strong about title.

Maria Pavlovna was  a H.I.H princcess of Sweden

Because she was a H.I.H

And of course as a members of imperial family princes of Prussia are a H.I.H.

Maria Pavlovna got to keep her title of Imperial Highness, yes. Although she may have been a HI & RH too. Like Ellen Vladimirovna--- HRH Princess Nicholas of Greece and Denmark, or Her Imperial and Royal Highness Princess Eleni of Greece and Denmark.

Maria Pavlovna may also have been styled as such: Her Imperial Highness Grand Duchess Maria, Princess Wilhelm of Sweden---I am not 100 % sure about this though. It's just a guess.

As far as Prince George goes...I'm not sure. Since the monarchy in Russia no longer exists, he is probably correctly styled as HRH Prince George of Prussia. Those who are still loyal to the Imperial crown would see him as HIH Grand Duke George of Russia.

of course more correct is H.I.H  and H.R.H prince of Prussia.

I think you are not very strong about title.

Maria Pavlovna was  a H.I.H princcess of Sweden

Because she was a H.I.H

And of course as a members of imperial family princes of Prussia are a H.I.H.

Maria Pavlovna got to keep her title of Imperial Highness, yes. Although she may have been a HI & RH too. Like Ellen Vladimirovna--- HRH Princess Nicholas of Greece and Denmark, or Her Imperial and Royal Highness Princess Eleni of Greece and Denmark.

Maria Pavlovna may also have been styled as such: Her Imperial Highness Grand Duchess Maria, Princess Wilhelm of Sweden---I am not 100 % sure about this though. It's just a guess.

As far as Prince George goes...I'm not sure. Since the monarchy in Russia no longer exists, he is probably correctly styled as HRH Prince George of Prussia. Those who are still loyal to the Imperial crown would see him as HIH Grand Duke George of Russia.

There was the matter of a marriage contract betwen George's parents. This stipulated that he would be a dynast of the Russian Imperial house as opposed to the Prussian Imperial house.

Legaly Prince Georg of Prussia is a H.I.H because is a member of German imperial family, but Princes of Prussia call himself H.R.H.
Prince Georg is not a Romanov , is not a member of Russian imperial family.
He is a Hohenzollern, a member of House of Prussia.