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Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
« on: December 03, 2005, 04:01:45 AM »
HI&RH Archduchess Regina of Austria(80),néé Princess of Sachsen-Meiningen,
spouse of Archduke Otto,was atmitted to hospital in Nancy,France,yesterday
afternoon after suffering from a stroke during a function they attended.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/02122005/5/l-epouse-d-otto-de-habsbourg-lorraine-hospitalisee-nancy.html
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Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2005, 02:30:02 AM »
Very sad indeed,a CVA is a nasty affair at any age,but especially for the elderly,as recovering is so very difficult,and it takes a while before one can tell which functions,and to what degree,come back .The reports on her present condition somehow differ from dire to being on the mend again.At any rate however it is a severe blow,hope and pray she"ll recover at least to some extend and is granted to remain among us a while longer,but it will be a struggle I'm sure.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 04:45:20 PM »
HI&RH Archduke Otto of Austria,son of Austria's last Emperor Karl and Empress Zita,celebrates his 94th birthday today.

Courtesy Brigitte Gastel Lloyd's wonderfull site:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/ottoaustria1912album.htm

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1164036814.html

Courtesy Octavius (GREMB)

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206538&str...

Archduke Otto as a child,with Emperor Franz Josef I
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072487086&str...

Archduke Otto as Crownprince of Hungary at the Coronation of his parents as King and Queen of Hungary,Budapest 1916.
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206523&str...

Empress Zita and her son.1917
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206532&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206513&str...

Wedding of Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina of Habsburg,néé Princess of Sachsen-Meiningen,Nancy,France may 10th 1951
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070708598&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206508&str...

Archduke Otto and Archduke Regina
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070807680&str...

Archduke Otto and his mother,HM Empress Zita of Austria,Queen of Hungary later in life
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070807706&str...

With eldest son Karl
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077143651&str...

With his family at his 85th birthday
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077204766&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823341&str...

2001,Golden Wedding anniversary
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074826845&str...

At their home,Villa Pöcking,Starnberger See,Bavaria
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823407&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823376&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072487092&str...

Archduke Otto's 90th birthdaycelbration,
Hofburg,Vienna
http;//www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072136007&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072132371&str...

Holy Mass at St.Stephans Dom,Vienna  (the priest is HIRH Archduke Paul of Habsburg,a nephew)
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-chi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072132320&str...

Dinner at Schönbrun Palace:
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072128959&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072128978&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072123305&str...







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Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 03:08:29 AM »
Thanks for linking to those nice pictures of Seegerpress. I really admire Otto and his wife (especially Otto) because he is still so lively at his old age, and travels that much, trough all countries. He must have a very interesting life, even in his old days and he survived all difficulties concerning the two Wars and the End of the reign of his family and everything, and is involved in politics and does so many things.  It would be interesting to discuss his views etc. There is a very good biography at my university, and if I have more time, I will read it. As I have heard, the biography was written, because Otto himself does not want to write any memoires.  He always interested me, even if some of his political views are discussed, he has written a lot of books  as well.

I have here an interview with him of the year 2004. It´s from the German magazine Stern, under the headline "people":

I´ll translate the most important points here, I think it shows already a lot on his attitudes.



The oldest son of the late emperor of Austria and king of Hungary was twenty year at the European Parliament

-  Excuse this typical question at the beginning..What is correct: Imperial Higness or Dr. Otto von Habsburg?

= Von Habsburg and that´s it.
 
- Some weeks ago the Pope (still Johannes Paul II.) has canonised your father in the presence of thousand members of the Habsburg family

=They were not thousand. Maybe the Carabinieri were collected with them...they were fourhundred

- But  your family has a strong connection to the catholic church.

= O yes,  The connection to God was important to me also in the european constitution. Well, we need a higher instance for our principles. And who can this be
     apart from Lord?


- As head of a family, who had the power over Europe for more than sixhundred years, how could you bear the bureaucracy at Brussels?

= I fought against it. Theodore Roosevelt once asked emperor Franz Joseph, what a monarchy has to do in a modern world and he replied: "It has to save the
   people  from the government!" In this sense I was needed.


- What does your usual day look like?

= Very much to do. You have to consider, if one was busied through so many years and visted more than onehundred meetings in the year, you have got great
   correspondences. And I thank God that it is like that!


- Do you still travel that much?

= O yes, in the middle of September I was in Kosovo, then I was at Zurich, Rome, Vienna, Tirol, Madeira, Croatia, London and then again at Vienna. Tomorrow
   we travel to Westfalia and Lower Saxony, later to Budapest, Paris, Strassburg, Spain, and in between three times in Hungary. And then it´s Christmas!


- Your official title has one Emperor- nine king- twenty- Arch- Great- and simple Duke- nine count- and many more titles. Don´t you get nostalgic feelings?

= No, I was always looking forward.

- And when you see the Sisi trash around the Wiener Hofburg?

= Well, the people like it and many think, that´s nice, I will not critisize it!

- Does the aristocracy still carry culture today?

= In some cases. The monarchy can provide Continuity. But there are examples, where this is not the case. You only have to look in certain journals.

- Even if you are -from the origin- the number one of the European Aristocracy you are never to find in gossip papers.

= I was always busy with other things: And you won´t believe it: I have never been on a dancing ball. Never. I prefer o sleep in the night. And if you don´t visit night clubs
  you don´t meet gossip reporters.


- Does it have advantages not to be a monarch?

= O yes, you don´t have to call every politician, who is a donkey "excellence", and I have a life, which does not bore me. I can imagine myself, that other royals often   
  have much boredom. The british royals work from early until late. But for me it would not be very funny to do this kind of work.


- Do you have a close connection to yours majesty secret service?

= I love James Bond- movies: They are all phantastic!  I have got to know the authour, Fleming, in England during the War. From this time on, this is my passion.-

- Do you still follow your ritual act on the 31 st of May?

= But yes! Surely! I smoke only on the World´s non Smoking day. Only last year I had forgotten it and did it on the 1st of July!

I think this shows quite a lot about him, even if these are only "general" questions. He has some interesting sense of humour and is a very realistic person, without expressing "I am something more or better than others", he is a really serious, but  interesting figure, not like many others royals from today, who only make scandals! 
What do others think?
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2006, 11:42:55 AM »
Thank you for the translation Britt.Otto is modest,kind and genuine,to a fauld almost.He has witnessed more then anyone else,historically,politically and personally,from the days of Emperor Franz Josef till now.Mindboggling,from horse and carriage to the Airbus 380.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 12:20:26 PM »
Dear Britt.25 you say "There is a very good biography at my university, and if I have more time, I will read it. As I have heard, the biography was written, because Otto himself does not want to write any memoirs."
Actually there are various biographies written about Otto von Habsburg. Although he himself did not write a biography of himself he did write one excellent one about Charles I (V). Original in French "Charles Quint" translated into various languages.
His books are a legacy of his pan European views which are in reality the continuation of the philosophy Sacro Imperio Romano and the Austro Hungarian Empire. He fought all his life for the Pan European integration and is one of the visionaries of the United Europe.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 01:06:08 PM »
Dear CFH_Mexico,

Thanks for your explanations. Can you recommend one special biography about Otto von Habsburg?
In the university library, I saw only one, and that seemed to be very a detailled one and was a really huge book, and looked interesting to me. Unfortunately I have forgotten the authour. If you have any special, which you consider good, it would be interesting to know.
I know that Otto has written a lot of  books, I have only two, the one about Karl V, that you mentioned, and one small one about the first Habsburg king, Rudolf I., who also interests me.

Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 11:58:26 AM »
Dear Britt.25

There are various books about the Archduke Otto von Habsburg, I have read and recommend the following ones:

The Uncrowned Emperor: The Life and Times of Otto von Habsburg by Gordon Brook-Shepherd
Otto von Habsburg. by Gordon Brook-Shepherd
Otto von Habsburg: Protokoll eines politischen Lebens by Erich Feigl

Gordon Brook - Shepherd is a dedicated historian, objective, well read and has had access to the private library of the Archduke. He has been a long time investigator and a real expert in the history of the early XX Century. Has been close to the Archduke and various members of the imperial family. He surely knows his topic.

Erich Feigel is a real monarchist, pro Habsburg, sometimes too pro Habsburg but close to the Archduke and often visited Kaiserin Zita in Zizers, in switzerland where the old Empress lieved her last years. In his different books he narrates historic facts that where told to him by the Kaiserin and for which there is as backup only the very good memory of the Empress.

This books can be bought through Amazon.com  and major bookstores.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2007, 02:15:01 AM »
Francesca and Karl married at Mariazell on January 31st 1993. They have three children: Eleonore (born 1994). Ferdinand (born 1997) and Gloria (born 1999), whose godmother was Gloria of Thurn und Taxis. When Gloria was a baby she suffered from meningitis, but she got completely healthy again.

They couple is still married, but they don't live together anymore. Francesca moved to Vienna where she lives with her son Ferdinand. Karl decided to stay in Anif (Salzburg) where he cares about his daughters.
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2007, 04:24:23 AM »
Here are some pictures of the family. I have also heard that they don´t live together anymore. Does anybody know about reasons?



















Does anybody know, which problems the couple had? I have got some recent infos by a family member that Dr. Otto von Habsburg has recently named Karl officially to his heir and passed his tasks to him. Because of some particular things and problems in Karl´s life there seem to be members of the family, who are not satisfied with this decision. I´ll tell more, after having clarified how to provide these infos here ;)





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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2007, 03:33:55 PM »
''She was nothing but a very wealthy heiress and a wild party girl...''
Yes,then Baroness vonThyssen(now Archduchess) was or rather is very wealhy,but her German,Hungarian and Scotish ancestry is also very interesting!
From her father's side she has descended from many Hungarian noble families(and also some German ones),but from her mother's side she has descended from allmost every ruling familiy of Europe(from Kings of France,Denmark,Scotland,Electors of Brandenburg and Saxony etc),but the most interesting is that she has also descended from the Habsburg family(from Emperor Rudolf I) and also from the House of Lorraine(in which she entered through her marriage since the House of Austria was named Habsburg-Lothringen)...

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2007, 03:50:49 AM »
That´s interesting with her ancestry, I will have a look on the genealogy sites, if I find something. Have you any good sources for her ancestry? Concerning early ansistors of today´s famous people I made good (or almost the best) experiences with the site "genea Portugal": It was always more than interesting to me, to find out how many of our todays nobles (even people like Princess Diana) descend from the "early" Hapsburgs through different lines, the most are for example descendants from "Ludwig der Bayer", whose mother Mathilde was a daughter of king Rudolf I. of Hapsburg. I suppose there similar lines that lead to Francesca....
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2007, 09:02:46 AM »
You can find a lot at Genealogy index site...It is also interesting for me to ''find'' royal ancestry of some people that nobody knows they have royal blood.(Like it was interesting to find that Diana descends not just from the Stuart dynasty but also from the Elector Ernst August von Hannover,who reigned from 1692-1698 and his mistress Clara Elisabeth von Meysenburg,through their daughter Countess Sophie Charlotte von Platen-Hallermund)!

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 03:27:12 AM »
Letter of Dr. Otto von Habsburg to his family concerning the naming of his eldest son Karl to his official heir and successor:                                                                     
                                                                                       
                                                                                                                            
                                                                                  Pöcking, December, 2006

   
                          Dear Family,


Some weeks ago I celebrated my 94 th birthday. During a long life I have made a lot of experiences, good onces and also bad onces, and I am thankful to God for every single one of them. I had the chance to learn from them and so I can look back on a fulfilled life. Especially because Regina and me are blessed with seven children and twentytwo grandchildren.

Already some time ago I have decided to give a part of my tasks in younger hands. So I decided to leave the European Parliament in the year 1999, in the year 2000 I passed my function as souvereign of the decoration of the golden Vlies to my son Karl, and last year I abandoned my presidency at the Paneuropa Union.

I have decided from 1st January, 2007 on to autorise my eldest son Karl with the task of the chief of the house and clan as well.

During the last years he had already leaded a part of my agendas. With him I know the future of our family, of whome we never have to forget that it is a family with a political task, with the continuity that I wish, in good hands. Last but not least his successful activity concerning the golden Vlies has affected me to this step.  Surely I will support him, as far as God gives me the strengh.  I wish and I demand that all of you accord him the same support as well!

Without giving up the aims, which I was concerned with over a long time, one can, when having reached the 95 th year of age, look at actual incidents from a greater distance und does not have to be concerned with every detail anymore.

I wish you with all my heart a blessed year 2007.


                                                    Otto.





(This is a translated version of the letter, the original is in German and went to all members of the Habsburg family- and only to them.)
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 05:35:29 PM »
Thanks for sharing that! Archduke Otto is such a wonderful person that I do hope he enjoys a long (despite his already advanced age), happy and healthy retirement. He deserves it, as he has had so many years of devoted service, with so many ups and downs and under very different conditions, but he seemed to master them all. I admire him very much. I don't envy Archduke Karl having to follow such an illustrious father, but wish him well.