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« on: December 11, 2005, 11:06:40 PM »
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I want to learn more about the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. I wonder what they are like, I've never heard anything about them personally. I just know that they are catholic and some of them married some scandanavians and some married some portuguese princesses. I also would like to know their reaction and relationship with the Romanian branch. Did they support them or were they jealous? or what?  Huh
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« on: December 12, 2005, 04:13:34 AM »
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The Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen were from the so said elder branch of the Hohenzollern...They seem to have always been Catholics, as their cousins Hohenzollern-Hechingen...

They were Counts of the Holy Roman Empire...And later on the heads of these two branches were made Princes, a title that was only later on expanded to their descendants...

Having been members of the Confederation of the Rhine, they managed to mantain their sovereignty after the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire...

In the 1840s they gave the sovereignty to their Prussian cousin, but mantained all privileges as if still reigning...

They started to be noticed when King Pedro V of Portugal chose Pss Stephanie to marry (in a time when Catholic princesses lacked, except for those Spanish, and he didn't want those, he tried Britain's, but although fond of the Portuguese cousins, Victoria's religious prejudice and greater expectations won, Prince Albert appointed Stephanie though)...Some years later her brother Karl was elected Prince of Romania...By then the family had acquired enough prestige to make wonderful alliances...

As for their relationship to the Romanian cousins I think they're probably good enough...

When Pss Margarita married Radu Duda, the Fürst of Hohenzollern gave him the title of Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen...I think that´s a good sign...



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« on: December 13, 2005, 02:47:58 PM »
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Hi,are there some more information or any portrait of Princess Antoinette Murat,the one who married during Napoleons period into Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen family?
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More about: Princess Antoinette Murat.
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« on: December 13, 2005, 08:19:52 PM »
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When Pss Margarita married Radu Duda, the Fürst of Hohenzollern gave him the title of Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen...I think that´s a good sign...

 



There is nothing in the urkunde issued by the Prince of Hohenzollern that refers to a title for Radu.  The prince of Hohenzollern cannot create titles for anyone.  Radu was given a 'Surname" which can be assumed to be a title.  The relationship between the Roumanians and the prince has been good- the same cannot be said about the prince's son and heir
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« on: December 14, 2005, 12:43:29 AM »
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what's up with The Prince's heir? What is his relationship with Romanian Hohenzollerns?
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« on: December 14, 2005, 07:31:29 AM »
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Here's something on an interesting character--Antoinette Murat's mother-in-law.

Princess Amalie Zephyrine von Salm-Kyrburg of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen

She left her husband, Hereditary Prince Anton Aloys of Sigmaringen, after the birth of her son, Karl in 1785, and returned to Paris, where she was born. Here she started an affair with  Vicomte de Beauharnais, but she also came close to his wife and children during the French Revolution. 1798 she resumed contact with her Sigmaringen and her son became the center of her interest. In order to be able to return to Germany and meet him, she became politically active and used her connections to the French government - the Foreign Minister Talleyrand or the Emperor himself. At the Peace-congress she acted with great self-confidence and together with her husband she negotiated the terms for the survival of Hohenzollern-Hechingen and Hohenzollern-Sigmarinen as sovereign states, at a time when most minor territories were merged, For instance Württemberg had to hand back the City of Sigmaringen in 1806 which it had been promised as part of the agreements. Her son came to Paris and married Antoinette Murat and in 1808 she returned to Sigmaringen with her son and daughter-in-law. Her husband refused her entrance to the Castle and she build a new residence close by and for the rest of her life she travelled a lot and had many social connections all over Europe. She lived (1760-1841).

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A brief bit about her marriage:

"Some days later, the Prince of Hohenzollern married the niece of the Grand Duke of Berg, Mademoiselle Antoinette Murat. His Majesty did for her what he had done for Mademoiselle de Tascher, and was present also with the Empress at the ball given by the Grand Duke of Berg on the occasion of this marriage, the honors of which were done by the Princess Caroline. "

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« on: December 14, 2005, 08:27:34 AM »
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GDElla,thank you so much for these informations!It seems Amalie Zephryne was a strong-minded character...
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« on: December 14, 2005, 08:40:06 AM »
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by the way...does anyone know if Pr Carl Alexander (son of Pr Emanuel of Hohenzollern and his wife, born Pss Katharina of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach), whom had disappeared and supposedly hinding in the Himalaya since 2003, has already showd up?

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« on: August 05, 2006, 06:12:50 PM »
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When and Why did the Hohenzollern family split into two branches?


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« on: August 05, 2006, 09:17:40 PM »
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Briiefly,the different branches can all trace their relationship to Count Friederich III of Zollern who died circ 1204.  his youngest son, Konrad, inherited his mother's Burrgraviate of Raabs, and is the ancestor of the Royal House of Prussia.  The other brother, Friedrich became Friedrich IV, Count of Zollern.   Through this line, three branches of Hohezollern emerged - Hohenzollern-Haigerloch, Hohenzollern-Hechingen and Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.  The first two are now extinct.  The H-S branch is Roman Catholic.  When the Hechingen line became extinct in 1869, the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen became the Prince of Hohenzollern.  (Furst von Hohenzollern)

Konrad's son Friedrich became the elector and Margrave of Brandenburg - and received the Duchy of Prussia from the king of Poland in 1618 - Prussia was freed from Polish view - in 1701 Friedrich III received the title King in Prussia, which became "of Prussia" in 1742

In other words, it was a very, very long time ago when the branches evolved.


When and Why did the Hohenzollern family split into two branches?


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« on: August 07, 2006, 08:44:48 AM »
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This is also thoroughly explained in Michel Huberty's L'Allemagne Dynastique, which includes great family trees as well.

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« on: October 06, 2006, 01:19:58 PM »
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KARL ANTON Joachim Zephyrinus Friedrich Meinrad was born in Sigmaringen on 7 September 1811 and died on 2 June 1885 in Berlin. He was the first son of Karl Anton Fürst von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen and his first wife Antoniette Princess Murat.

Karl Anton the elder abdicted in favor of his son on 27 August 1848. Only one year later Karl Anton the younger ceded his sovereign rights to the King of Prussia. In March 1850 he was granted the style of Highness and in October 1861 the style of Royal Highness.

Karl Anton was married to Joséphine Princess of Baden (1813-1900), herself a daughter of Karl Ludwig Grand Duke of Baden and his wife Stéphanie de Beauharnais, Princesse Française. One of her brothers is said to be the famous Caspar Hauser. Joséphine's aunts were Caroline Queen of Bavaria, Elisaveta Alexeievna (Louise) Empress of Russia and Friederike Queen of Sweden.

Karl Anton and Joséphine had 6 children:
- Leopold (1835-1905)
- Stéphanie (1837-1859) who died only one year after her wedding with Pedro V. of Portugal
- Karl Eitel Friedrich (1839-1914) who became King of Romania and was married to Elisabeth zu Wied ("Carmen Sylva")
- Anton (1841-1866)
- Friedrich Eugen (1843-1904)
- Marie (1845-1912) who was married to Philippe of Flanders and became mother of Albert I. of Belgium

Such an interesting family !!!  Wink
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« on: October 07, 2006, 08:40:18 AM »
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I never saw another portrait of Josephine. There are no more?  Huh
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