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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #315 on: September 09, 2013, 03:15:29 PM »
a new image of the Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger or similarity ?

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #316 on: September 09, 2013, 04:00:56 PM »
I would say it is Maria Pavlovna, although I am not exactly an expert on her.
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« Reply #317 on: September 09, 2013, 04:36:05 PM »
Definitely Maria Pavlovna! Gorgeous!

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #318 on: September 11, 2013, 05:28:18 PM »

What house is this? Is it in the Crimea?


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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #319 on: September 11, 2013, 06:07:56 PM »
I couldn't tell you what house it is, but I'm quite sure it's the Crimea. But I must ask, Bryndis, how would you happen to come across the photo of the house on the left, and how, other than by great  memory , would you tie it to the Grand Duchess in the right hand photo? Other than by the distinctive swan fountain, I mean?

Very sharp on your part, I must say.

And is that Anastasia or Marie there? I initially thought Anastasia, but now I'm not sure.
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« Reply #320 on: September 11, 2013, 08:37:33 PM »
Well! I've been doing a lot of "Now and then" photos lately.
I came across this house while I was browsing the Beinecke albums and wanted to know more about it, where it was and if it still exists or not.
I'm not sure what you're asking by that second question....I thought it was the same swan :/
I thought it was Maria...I might be wrong...the photo was in my 'Maria' folder....doesn't prove anything though.


I've also been wondering if this is the same fountain. They look like they're dressed for the Crimea.


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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #321 on: September 11, 2013, 10:54:40 PM »
Well! I've been doing a lot of "Now and then" photos lately.
I came across this house while I was browsing the Beinecke albums and wanted to know more about it, where it was and if it still exists or not.
I'm not sure what you're asking by that second question....I thought it was the same swan :/
I thought it was Maria...I might be wrong...the photo was in my 'Maria' folder....doesn't prove anything though.


I've also been wondering if this is the same fountain. They look like they're dressed for the Crimea.



That's Emperor Nicholas II's little hunting cabin in Kozmodemyansk, Russia. Two photos of him sitting on the balcony of the cabin can be seen in Beinecke's album #3, page 13 photo's #1000098 & 1000100. The title of the collection of photos is "A trip to Kazmandemiansk - The Emperor's little hunting cabin. 1914-15, Kozmodemyansk, Russia." And yes, IMHO, that is the same fountain, take a look at photo #1000104 on the same page in Beinecke and you can see the Grand Duchesses dress is identical (I don't know if that's Maria).

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #322 on: September 12, 2013, 01:33:25 PM »
Correct -- those were most probably taken on May 23rd or May 26th 1914, when Nicholas' diary mentions that he (Emperor) visited the Kozmodemyanskii's Convent with his daughters in the mountains of Crimea. It was one warm spring day.

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #323 on: September 12, 2013, 07:35:25 PM »
It's Maria.
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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #324 on: October 30, 2013, 01:34:43 PM »
So I've been trying to put a name to a face for a while now, but every single time I look at the photo I see a different girl. So, which Grand Duchess is this? My first thought was Maria, but then the more I looked I saw Olga and when I opened it today I even saw Anastasia!



Also if you've got a year, location etc I would appreciate it! : )
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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #325 on: October 30, 2013, 02:27:48 PM »
It's Maria. I believe the photo was dated 1913 in an article but I doubted that because Maria's hair seems to be up and now I'm pretty sure they got it wrong because there's a shot of this same group from a different angle among the coloured wartime photos. So it must be 1915-1916. I don't know the location, but just as a guess, it looks pretty similar to some photos I have of Maria, Anastasia and Alexei that were described as having been taken at Peterhof.

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #326 on: October 30, 2013, 03:02:42 PM »
Seems to be Maria in Peterhof, 1915. Maria or Anastasia, I have suddenly a doubt.

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« Reply #327 on: October 30, 2013, 03:28:39 PM »
I have found the right day in Nicolas's diary. 5 July 1915. Here is the entry in russian:
Очень жаркий день. Были у обедни. Завтракал Н. П. Саблин (деж.). В 1.45 поехал с ним, Алексеем, Мари и Анастасией в Ропшу. Погуляли в саду и осмотрели дворец. Затем поехали в Петергоф. С какою радостью все мы увидели море! Погулял по Александрии и выкупался в море в воде 19. Алексей катался в двойке. Прошло два ливня, пока пили молоко и ели фрукты в нашем доме. Обошел все комнаты. В 6.20 уехали в Царское Село, куда прибыли в 7 час.

"Very hot day. Attended the liturgy. N.P. Sablin had lunch. At 1.45pm I went with him, Alexei, Marie and Anastasia to Ropcha (Antonina posted a picture yesterday). We walked in the garden and visited the palace. Then we went to Peterhof. What a joyce to see the sea! We walked in Alexandria and I bathed in the sea, the water had 19. Alexei took a cannot. It rained twice when we were drinking milk and eating fruits in our house. Walked in all rooms. At 6.20 we went back to Tsarskoe Selo. Were there at 7 o'clock."

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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #328 on: October 30, 2013, 06:38:35 PM »
I'm guessing with the wider face and the hair being up that it is most likely Maria then?

Thank you for that diary entry matushka : D gives even further insight into what they were doing that day and such.
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Re: Help with Identification, Translations, Finding a Photo
« Reply #329 on: October 30, 2013, 10:17:08 PM »
It's Maria. (The skirt length eliminates Anastasia.)
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