Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria

Of course! I was only saying that McFerran know the Wittelsbach very well

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Gundelinde, Wiltrud, Adelgunde, Hildegarde, Helmtrud??

Wiltrud is at right, behind Prince Franz.

Sorry, Svetabel ... According to Noël S.Mac Ferran, a specialist (www.jacobite.ca) you can find, from left to right:Gundelinde, Hildegarde, Aldegunde, Karl, Wiltrud, Helmtrud and Franz.

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I know that site. With the all respect to the specialist I can't agree Helmtrud is behind Franz. I still think that's Wiltrud.

Thanks, Svetabel...Helmtrud and Wiltrud are as like as twins indeed. I have just compared the photo of Wiltrud alone to the photo of group. I must say you are certainly right: it is Wiltrud. No doubt.

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Hildegarde, Helmtrud, Gundelinde and Wiltrud.    (Agreed? There is a more difficult one to come.)

Hildegarde, Wiltrud,  their mother, Gundelinde and Helmtrud.
Is it right , Svetabel?

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Yes, you are right, Remi. : )

Princess Maria and her family; she married the Duke of Calabria to become the titular Queen of the Two Sicilies (that has a good ring, a shame that the Bourbons had made such a mess of ruling their Sicilies when they had been in power):


Her daughters:

I´ve read that Ferdinand of Calabria and his wife Maria of Bavaria were quite happy, but they had a very difficult financial situation...Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska of Austria guaranteed an annual income to the couple and after Elisabeth Franziska´s death, her younger daughter, queen Maria Cristina of Spain, stated she would pay the same amount of money every year...

I've read that Ferdinand of Calabria and his wife Maria of Bavaria were quite happy, but they had a very difficult financial situation...Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska of Austria guaranteed an annual income to the couple and after Elisabeth Franziska´s death, her younger daughter, queen Maria Cristina of Spain, stated she would pay the same amount of money every year...

Do you know why it was Elisabeth Franziska who gave them an allowance instead of Ludwig/Maria Theresia? Was it out of love for her granddaughter of because Ludwig and Maria Theresia could not/would not?  I thought Maria Theresia was very wealthy due to her her part of the inheritance of her uncle Francis of Austria-Este, Duke of Modena.  I thought even though Franz Ferdinand received a good portion and the title Archduke of Austria-Este that Maria Theresia received a good amount of lands too?

-Duke of NJ

Another picture of Maria, Duchess of Calabria:

hi ! what a gigantic family !
I read that Prince Wolfgang died young (15). Someone knows about this prince ?
Why has he died so young? what were his interests? what were his parent's plans his future?

Another picture of Maria with the Duke of Calabria, the nicest I have come across:

Princess Hildegard