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Reply #120
« on: September 05, 2007, 10:40:34 PM »
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The information has been around for a very long time for anybody to obtain. All these imposters were utterly ridiculous. That's the one thing they shared in common. Felix Yussopov was correct when he stated they should all be locked in a room together.
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Reply #121
« on: September 06, 2007, 01:14:45 PM »
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The information has been around for a very long time for anybody to obtain. All these imposters were utterly ridiculous. That's the one thing they shared in common. Felix Yussopov was correct when he stated they should all be locked in a room together.

Dmitri, I think you are mistaken about the information about two of the bodies being missing from the main grave. When "her" book was published in the 1960's, no one in the West, none of the other purported survivors had ever mentioned two bodies being missing, it was always one survivor. As I've said before, if you don't find this interesting, don't post here.
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Reply #122
« on: September 06, 2007, 01:26:01 PM »
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Eugenia Smith was a fraud, pure and simple.  Her publisher admitted it. She remains an idle curiosity.  As for "only one missing", well, as I recall, she had a "reunion" with Aleksei and Maria  [Goleniewski et cie.] Her 15 minutes of fame lasted just about that. Golieniewski himslf claimed the whole family escaped and lived a "retired " lfe in Poland.  So, not all the  survivor stories claimed only one made it out.
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« on: September 06, 2007, 01:36:11 PM »
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Eugenia Smith was a fraud, pure and simple.  Her publisher admitted it. She remains an idle curiosity.  As for "only one missing", well, as I recall, she had a "reunion" with Aleksei and Maria  [Goleniewski et cie.] Her 15 minutes of fame lasted just about that. Golieniewski himslf claimed the whole family escaped and lived a "retired " lfe in Poland.  So, not all the  survivor stories claimed only one made it out.

Wasn't that the family featured "File on the Tsar"? I remember my high school History teacher who was also the Russian teacher believed in the Golieniewskis. He would show me all the pics and brag and I was afraid of making him mad to tell him I didn't believe them. It makes no sense to meet with them as 'family', because if she was AN, then their 'sister' wasn't AN and therefore all frauds (which of course they were) Didn't AA meet with the woman claiming to be the 'fifth daughter' who was hidden and adopted out?

I would like to know how Eugenia got her 'info', it had to come from some Russian 'insider'.
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« on: September 06, 2007, 01:39:08 PM »
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Eugenia Smith was a fraud, pure and simple.  Her publisher admitted it. She remains an idle curiosity.  As for "only one missing", well, as I recall, she had a "reunion" with Aleksei and Maria  [Goleniewski et cie.] Her 15 minutes of fame lasted just about that. Golieniewski himslf claimed the whole family escaped and lived a "retired " lfe in Poland.  So, not all the  survivor stories claimed only one made it out.

Wasn't that the family featured "File on the Tsar"? I remember my high school History teacher who was also the Russian teacher believed in the Golieniewskis. He would show me all the pics and brag and I was afraid of making him mad to tell him I didn't believe them. It makes no sense to meet with them as 'family', because if she was AN, then their 'sister' wasn't AN and therefore all frauds (which of course they were) Didn't AA meet with the woman claiming to be the 'fifth daughter' who was hidden and adopted out?

I would like to know how Eugenia got her 'info', it had to come from some Russian 'insider'.

That's what I thought, too, Annie, that it had to come from someone who knew.
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Reply #125
« on: September 06, 2007, 02:13:25 PM »
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If you read her book, she really comes up with nothing new or unknown.  Also, a lot of what she said was simply made up. No exclusive insider information at all. She also changed her story as she went along and found out  something she had "forgotten". The infamoues "reunion being just one example. In the end, it all caught up with her and she was easily exposed. She came out in 1963, by then there were plenty of memoirs of Russian court life to glean tid bits from.  Twist the information a bit to make it look personal and voila!  One's very own court memoir. I do not think anyone even bothered to take dna samples from her, and she is buried, not cremated.
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« on: September 06, 2007, 02:33:13 PM »
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If you read her book, she really comes up with nothing new or unknown.  Also, a lot of what she said was simply made up. No exclusive insider information at all. She also changed her story as she went along and found out  something she had "forgotten".

I did read it but it was years ago in middle school and I had forgotten the details. That makes sense, she made things up that no one could verify as right or wrong since the rest of them were dead, so who'd know?  Cheesy  There are a few "Anastasia" 'diaries' out there that are made up fiction and just opening to a page I can pick out something to prove just how fake it is. It does bother me that people believe these fake stories.
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« on: September 06, 2007, 03:17:50 PM »
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Yes you are quite right Robert. That guy Golieniewski was yet another one of the ridiculous imposters. They were all rather amusing in their bizarre way.
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Reply #128
« on: November 10, 2008, 04:10:13 AM »
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Look at a Eugenie Smith:


She dosen´t look like Anastasia
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Reply #129
« on: January 16, 2009, 09:25:52 AM »
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Exactly. The facial features don't match. How can she claim she was Nastya? Obviously pretending for fame and fortune.
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Reply #130
« on: January 16, 2009, 12:38:27 PM »
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Exactly. The facial features don't match. How can she claim she was Nastya? Obviously pretending for fame and fortune.

One cannot deny the fame part but as to the fortune, I don't believe Eugenia Smith got rich posing as a Russian Grand Duchess. To me she looks much more like the girls than did Anna Anderson.
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« on: January 16, 2009, 03:15:24 PM »
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Well, her story, the way she acted when trying to prove her claim was actually less convincing than AA. But neither of these women was Anastasia.
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« on: January 24, 2009, 01:40:32 PM »
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One cannot deny the fame part but as to the fortune, I don't believe Eugenia Smith got rich posing as a Russian Grand Duchess. To me she looks much more like the girls than did Anna Anderson.

I agree with you, Lisa. Anastasia's name is not a business.
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Reply #133
« on: January 31, 2009, 02:15:27 AM »
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Do you realize that the name of Anastasia has been used for more than 20 people to make money? Romanov poor!
I just found out one thing about Eugene Smith: she and another suitor Goleniewski Michael, who passed himself off as Alexei, organized a staging: Eugenia, at a party, "by chance" met Michael ... Eugenia then says "You are Alexei Romanov, my brother" and Michael replies "And you are Anastasia, my sister !!!".
Do you realize what it does for the money? This story of Eugenia and Michael is appalling! You who do you think?
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Reply #134
« on: January 31, 2009, 02:18:22 AM »
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This is Goleniewski Michael.
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