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Romanov and Bulgaria
« on: December 24, 2005, 04:32:55 PM »
Hey guys,

Look what I just found. Read it and tell me what you think.

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http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/Gabarevo.htm

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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2005, 04:48:55 PM »
This should be in the survivors board.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2005, 05:59:59 PM »
She can't be Anastasia, she has brown eyes.  ::)
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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2005, 06:04:32 PM »
highly unlikly  ::)
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2005, 06:41:32 PM »
Could the Bulgarian mountain village of Gabarevo be the last refuge of the lost Romanov Princess?

Many years after the Bolshevikhs in Russia had executed the royal family, forensics who examined the exhumed skeletons of Russia’s last monarch Nikolay II and his family, discovered that the mortal remains of one of the princesses and the crown prince Alexey were missing. Thus, the foundations for one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century history were laid, and a great number of hypotheses on the possible ways in which these two members of the Russian royal family, the Romanov, had escaped certain death, and their possible whereabouts came to being. One of the most striking of these was the claim put forward by Bulgarian investigator Blagoy Emanuilov that Princess Anastasia and her brother Alexey of Russia had spent their last days and had died peacefully in the Bulgarian village of Gabarevo in the Balkan Range. Radio Bulgaria brings the story of how the legal expert put two and two together.

Dozens of fake Anastasias and Alexeys the world over had tried in vain to claim their rights to being the famous regal personae, entitled by right of birth to the throne of Nikolay II. It is very likely that while the impersonators were making a big fuss about their made-up stories, the true prince and princess had led a quiet and undisturbed life in a remote village huddled in the folds of the Central Balkan Range in Bulgaria, not far from the historic town of Kazanluk with its famous Thracian mound. The elderly villagers in Gabarevo still bring vivid memories of the mysterious Russians who had settled in the village some time around 1922-1923. As if from nowhere, a young Russian woman of regal stature, presenting herself as Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger, arrived in the village. She insisted that everybody addressed her as Nora. She lived with the Russian physician who had appeared a month prior to her arrival, and whom she subsequently married. However, everybody was aware that theirs’ was a formal marriage and that the lady was treating her husband as if she had married below herself. Almost a year later a tall frail young man, enlisted in the municipality register as Georgi Zhudin, but better known as Georges, accompanied by several more Russians took refuge in their home. The improvised Russian community shared one thing in common: they never mentioned their origins and their past, nor did they give explanations about the purpose of their stay. Georges shunned other people and usually kept strictly to himself right until the last days of his life in 1930. Rumours had it Georges and Nora were siblings and of royal blood. The young lady had exquisite manners, spoke several foreign languages, played the piano, and was skilled in white and colour Russian embroidery. She was an avid reader and always smoked cigarettes. Even opium was mentioned at some point. One thing was striking about her: she had a scar from a wound inflicted by a gun shot between her right cheek and her neck. She had a similar wound on her chest. She passed away on July 20, 1954, aged 55, taking away her secrets to the grave. She was laid to her rest alongside the grave of Georges. “A great deal of the life facts about Princess Anastasia, whose verity historians had proven, coincided with Nora’s life in the village of Gabarevo,” Blagoy Emanuilov says and adds, “Near the end of her earthly days Nora often recalled childhood experiences of being bathed in gold baths, and combed and clothed by maids. She mentioned having a princess’s room all by herself and remembered drawings she had made. There is other evidence, as well. In the early 1950s a Russian who once served on the anti-Bolshevikh White Guard and who had taken refuge in the Bulgarian Black Sea town of Balchik referred to Nora and Georges from the village of Gabarevo when describing the lives of the executed royal family. He told witnesses that the late tzar Nikolay II had ordered him personally to take Anastasia and Alexey out of the palace and hide them safely in the country. Apparently they had somehow managed to make their way to Odessa, where Anastasia was said to be wounded by the Red Army cavalry. They got off at Tegerdag in Turkey, and the Russian White Guard officer claimed fate had taken them as far as the village of Gabarevo in Bulgaria. In the late 1950s another Russian residing in the town of Chirpan near Stara Zagora in Southern Bulgaria announced the forthcoming visit of a Russian delegation that was to pay tribute to the graves of two important Russian personalities in the village of Gabarevo. However, he failed to mention the names of the high-profile personalities and was soon taken away by sudden death. Experts have found a great percentage of matching when comparing the photographs of 17-year-old Russian princess Anastassia Romanov to the picture of 35-year-old Eleonora Krueger from the village of Gabarevo. The year of birth is the same, too. Another thing: Georges’ contemporaries described him as suffering from consumption, and being thin and yellowish as glass. Russian court physicians, when describing the crown prince Alexey who was known to be a haemophiliac, gave the same description. Tuberculosis and haemophilia share many similar signs, physicians claim.”

Krustina Chomakova from the village of Gabarevo recalls how the mysterious Nora Krueger used to teach them French, English and Latin, or do the props for the amateur theatre productions, or even did the make-up, or offered her services as prompter although the bullet had affected her vocal chords, and she kept her voice low and spoke mainly through the nose. In her words the young Russian aristocrat had transformed entirely the life of the people in the tiny village huddled amidst the thickness of the Balkan Range forest. Everyone whispered under their breath she was a Russian princess.

“Back in 1930 when the majority of the Bulgarians hardly even knew what ballet was, she put on a ballet show at the village school,” Krustina Chomakova goes on to say. “She made fancy coloured costumes out of stretchable paper. Ah, the success the show had! The following year we mounted a production of “The Flowers’ Ball” operetta. She used to be in charge of the spring festival that grew into a large court fancy-dress ball of sorts, with the people from the village guised as Eskimos, Africans, etc.”

In 1995 forensics exhumed the bones of Nora and Georges in the presence of a forensic physician and an anthropologist. To their surprise they found a very precious item in Georges’ grave, a ladanka, a small icon of the Lord Jesus Christ left inside the graves of only high-profile Russian aristocracy members. Naturally, DNA analysis is the only plausible scientific method to give the answer to the question whether Nikolay II’s two youngest children had ended their days peacefully thousands of miles from the city of Ekaterininburg in Siberia, where in 1918 their royal parents and siblings had been shot dead by order of the Bolshevikhs.

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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2005, 08:19:32 PM »
Putting aside the fact that her eyes are dark, which may just be a result of the photograph, her facial features are similar to Anastasia's. If she is an impostor, she's the closest looking one I've seen.

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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2005, 08:35:02 PM »
IMO, her nose is two wide and her lips are too short and thick. Plus her eyes are clearly brown. Even in B&W photos you can tell dark form light. If the eyes are light, you can see the pupil from the rest of the eye. When will these imposters cease to exist?!?  >:(
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2005, 08:56:47 PM »
If you read the article carefully she never said she was the Russian Princess. On contraire, she used another name and told everyone that she was a Polish Countess. She never wanted anyone to know that she was Russian, she was hiding. She never talked about her background. The people put two and two together and concluded that she was Anastasia. When she was old she told a woman that she was born in a golden creedal and people would dress her. However, she never told anyone that she was the daughter of the last Tsar of Russia. In the 50's a Russian man visiting Balchik, a Bulgarian Black sea port, told a Bulgarian man that he was in Bulgaria to visit two very important graves to the Russian people. Some of what I just said some from the fallowing article.

This is another link, but this one is in Bulgarian:
http://www.bgnews.bg/show_story.html?issue=315874430&media=3669536&class=5282812&story=315876841
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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2005, 08:55:58 AM »


You can see her in the right corner. She is attending a local wedding. The fallowing article also discusses the issue about her identity. It writes that when "The Princess" came to Bulgaria around 1922 - 1923 she was 24. In the registry she wrote that she was born in Saint Petersburg, but she was Polish. She married a Russian doctor who was living with her and her brother. Apparently they married because the people in the village were suspicious of a young woman living with an older man not being married. The article also writes that her brother was sick all the time and they (The sister and the doctor) told everyone that he had tuberculoses. Aberrantly the symptoms for tuberculoses and hemophilia are the same. The article writes that other Russian came to the village. They were working for “The Princess” and the doctor. However non of them would discuss their past. All this is a fact and not a make believe by an imposter trying to get publicity.


The link:
http://www.diplomatic-bg.com/c2/?lang=ru&option=com_content&task=view&id=443&Itemid=47
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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2005, 11:47:38 AM »
i think the bone structer of her looks like nastya's but every thing else is just wrong. but i agree with Ortino... shes closest to her then any one.
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2005, 03:12:21 PM »
I just found another picture of her. Well if she is not Princess Anastasia then she is simply what she is telling us - a Polish Countess. But why would a Polish Countess come to Bulgaria with her younger sick brother and doctor. From what would she hide from? And like all the other articles say eventually other Russians also come who took care of the young woman and her brother by cooking and cleaning her home, and they never talked about their past.  

Regarding the pictures. The last pictures of Anastasia taken in Russia were in 1917 or 1918, the picture I am showing was taken 20 years later.

The first picture was taken in the 1930's:
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2005, 11:05:21 AM »
nope nothing like her.

maby that woman and her younger brother did have a past that they didn't want to talk about. but it was surly not Nastya and her story.
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2005, 06:16:40 PM »
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nope nothing like her.

maby that woman and her younger brother did have a past that they didn't want to talk about. but it was surly not Nastya and her story.


In one of the articles it writes that an forensic analysis had been made of the pictures of The Princess and The Prince in Russia and them in Bulgaria and a perfect mach have been found. The only thing that can be done is a DNA.

Look at the hair. The same curls only shorter. And not just the hair. But oh well. Everyone can believe whatever they want.
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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2005, 06:02:29 AM »
Hi!

Hey! I understand your confusion, but I'm sure this can't be Anastasia. She just looks a lot like her, but considering humans shares about 98% of their genomes with monkeys , you'll understand it's possible that people share common features across time and space.

Their eyes are not the same shape and color, their mouths and hair look very different, too, but I thank you for finding this paper.
I've often heard about false Anastasias and Alexeis, but had never found a "concrete" one.

Thanks!


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Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2005, 07:59:52 AM »
What does it mean, an officer take them from the palace. Which palace. It is really stupid, people who are speculating about those things could have better read the IF's story: well, Anastasia was indeed in Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg, it is an historical fact. What can we add to this????!!!!
By the way, I am not sure AN knew latin so well, I am not sure she never studied it seriously. So...
You know, a lot of people have something to hide, are hidding from the policy of their country. She could be a polish countess... or someone else, but NOT Anastasia!