Did Alexandra ever argue with Nicholas?

I enjoy your long responses, because I always have an opinion about them, and debate is what keeps the board going.

 

Now that you mention it, when one looks at that photograph of Victoria and Albert, the lines do start to flow.  

In the book "The Victorians" by Wilson he captions the picture by mentioning that judging by the looks in the photograph Victoria is only moments away from one of her infamous outburts and Albert has, unforunately, just realized it.

That is interesting information, that shows that many people have read something into that photograoh beyond merely posters here.

This was back in the day when a man could slap his wife if she backtalked him. Of course, I'm 100% sure Nikolai would never lay a finger on Aleksandra. I try to remember that when I think about how a couple got along back then.

I agree with leushino...

The way the last IF is revered on some of these threads is just ridiculous.  Royalty, handsome looks, deep religious faith, the mysticism surrounding their lives and their dramatic and somewhat mysterious deaths does not mean that they had any less faults than the rest of us here on this earth.

I don't know whether or not the idolising posters are of any particular religion which would sway their enthusiasm, as has been suggested.  I just think it is youth, naievety or both (no offence meant to anyone).

I mean, there's nothing wrong with liking or admiring someone, but a little reality check is needed here at times, methinks.

No offence meant to anyone you have just deemed "idolizing posters" full of what  seems to you the ignorance of youth and/or naievety? No offense meant when you say "the way the last IF is revered on some of these threads is just ridiculous"? "Ridiculous" is a pretty harsh word. Bob Atchison started his website because he was strongly committed to the last Imperial Family of Russia and felt a strong connection to Alexandra and the Alexander Palace.

Of course you meant offense, Grace. Saying something and then saying "no offense" is the classic way of getting a nasty point across and then feigning surprise that it hurts or offends someone. Then it is the other person's character defect that they are "too sensitive" or "took it the wrong way" or "just don't get it" with their hopeless belief system. You can be nasty and superior at the same time, all under the guise that you never ever meant to put anyone else down or be disrespectful toward their ideas.

I did wonder if anyone meant offense..but I think we can speak our own minds within reason..thanks for pointing this out.

No offence meant to anyone you have just deemed "idolizing posters" full of what  seems to you the ignorance of youth and/or naievety? No offense meant when you say "the way the last IF is revered on some of these threads is just ridiculous"? "Ridiculous" is a pretty harsh word. Bob Atchison started his website because he was strongly committed to the last Imperial Family of Russia and felt a strong connection to Alexandra and the Alexander Palace.

Of course you meant offense, Grace. Saying something and then saying "no offense" is the classic way of getting a nasty point across and then feigning surprise that it hurts or offends someone. Then it is the other person's character defect that they are "too sensitive" or "took it the wrong way" or "just don't get it" with their hopeless belief system. You can be nasty and superior at the same time, all under the guise that you never ever meant to put anyone else down or be disrespectful toward their ideas.

NAAOTMA, I think it is totally inappropriate that you are implying in this post that I am making a criticism of Bob Atchison, and you are quite out of line here.  If I didn't like the site Bob has put so much into, I would not be here.

Otherwise, the rest of my post, I stand by.  Read the threads.  Some are ridiculous and, if you get into Forum Announcements, for example, you will find that many agree with me.  But that's okay, I don't have to contribute to them or even read them if I don't want to.  This is a discussion forum and I can express an opinion - there was certainly nothing offensive or "nasty" in what I said, so...

No offence!  

Ohh...guys. Please don't fight. I hate it when FA has to come in here just to yell at us, he has more important things to do.

[Certainly this is a valued place for history to come alive, and be understood in it's entirety !]

Allow me to give my comments, please. For many of us, we came to the AP Thread because we may identify in mutual understanding through our faith of Orthodoxy, because of their IF life and death, and some very other important issues to do with their deaths, etc. For many of us, it is a form of finding many answers, as our family members went through much of the disasterous acts caused by the maddness of the revolution and communism. You are right though, the IF were very human, and had their faults as we all do. But there is nothing out of the ordinary in regards to this fact.

It is also true, their IH, and the IF are for many Russians revered. This is a fact, and like it or not, it is a form of expression, and one that is regarded by more than a million people. So as everything, we can either accept it or not. Each has the right to think as they do, but it should not be anything that would be harmful in statement, just because this is what one feels.

I of course think, as has been discussed before, that there remains a thread heading called 'fun' whereby younger posters may effectively share their thoughts, however they may be, but within reason. There is nothing ridiculous about their sharing their feelings, fears, or thoughts, again within reason. Youth certainly is full of naievety. This is not new in understanding, and why the thread exists. Therefore, no offense need be taken, nor offered.

The above is a reality, and why we have threads as such.

Remember, it is because of Bob A's real and true valued understanding of those future posters, and how he knew they would post. After all, with the wealth of information BobA posses to do with their IH, the IF, how could he not have allowed for all types of any expression to be considered. BobA for his time was an extraordinary seerer of today, and of today's way of continuum in communication. Thank goodness for him !!!

Most of us are here, continue to be here because we are identifiably in many understandings connected to BobA's dream of making a safe place, an open place of respective interchanges, where we may share without anyother persons address to diminish what we have to share. Russia has seen her nightmares. It became a time and place wherein not only discussion as these takes place, but where real healing continues.

Certainly this is a valued place for history to come alive, and be understood in it's entirety !

There is nothing ridiculous about sharing one's feelings here, if it is honest. We can't speak for others, but we can speak for ourselves, and conduct ourselves in the best way communication has to be offeed. Just mho !

Tatiana+

I am going to have to agree with Tania!  

I am neither afraid nor ashamed of admitting publicly to belonging to the Orthodox Church. And yes,  I keep an icon of the IF.

That as a fact does not make me one of the over-romanticizing, naieve, idol worshipping nor immature Romanov groupies!

It is to say that I have respect for the IF and the church.
And just for good measure, my interest in the IF pre-dates my entrance to the church. So I resent the comment about religious views swaying people as if we have no mind or conscience.

I wish more people here could learn to be a bit more respectful in their ways when talking about the IF and eachother. I am among the first to say we need to have a balanced view of history and the people that became it. Yes, the IF woke up in the morning with bad breathe and their hair messed up - who doesn't? Arguements? I'm sure there were many over the years, why wouldn't there be? And I maintain that it is more important where we wind up in the end rather than where we came from.

Frankly, I can't understand why anyone who hates the Romanovs (as one poster recently said to me publicly) would be on this site in the first place. I would think it to be torturous for them to be here, unless the aim is to see how many can be brought down in the process.

Azarias +

[saints or not]

I cannot say that I feel anything as dramatic as  "hate"  for them - nevertheless it's clear that saints or not they moaned/sighed/sang/cried - were happy and selfish/ petty and generous/ gracious and cruel as any humans could be!
Being "saints" did not make them just dry ICONS!
They were people - full of failure, stupidity, hope and love - of course... but then again I may have no right to speak here - I am not orthodox.

We should not fight, that is indeed very true.. I am sure people have better things to do, so that is why I never challenged that first statement head on, but let someone else do it. Anyway, words can be miscommunicated...

Imperial Angel, if it is one of my posts you are referring to, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone disagreeing with my opinions here.  After all, that is all they are - my opinions.

As long as my posts are not misread as implying something that I did not mean, I am happy and that is all I ask.  

[saints or not]

... nevertheless it's clear that saints or not they moaned/sighed/sang/cried - were happy and selfish/ petty and generous/ gracious and cruel as any humans could be!
Being "saints" did not make them just dry ICONS!
They were people - full of failure, stupidity, hope and love - of course....

I have no problem at all with this.  It is all charmingly real and true!