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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2009, 03:18:24 AM »
In the thread about Infanta Maria Anna we came across a photo of lovely Princess Marguerite. Maybe it's time to collect some pictures and to add some information about her. :-)
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2009, 10:48:22 AM »
Marguerite (1846-93) was the 3rd child & elder daughter of Louis, Duke of Nemours & his wife Victoire of Saxe-Coburg. As a child she was nicknamed “Minette” (Puss) and her cousin Charlotte of Belgium said of her that she had a “funny little face, quite like a cat’s”.
She was 11 when she lost her mother and was reported to be disconsolate. The children were called in to kiss their dead mother’s hand and it must have been a painful experience.

After the 1848 Revolution the Orléans fled to England where the Nemours went to live with King Louis Philippe & Queen Marie Amélie in Claremont. They were compelled to leave the castle after Marie Amélie’s death in 1866 and settled at Bushy House near Hampton Court. Marguerite wrote to her brother Alençon how sad she was to leave Claremont where they had spent their childhood.

As a teenager, she fell in love with her cousin Louis “Guégué”, prince of Condé, eldest surviving son of the Duke of Aumale. Condé reciprocated her feelings and the cousins were unofficially engaged. Unfortunately the young man died of typhoid fever in Australia (Sydney) in 1866. Marguerite was sitting for the painter Jalabert when she was told the devastating news.

Nemours began looking for a husband for his daughter and thought about the bavarian prince Carl Theodor, son of duke Max & duchess Ludovica. He wrote to his sister Clémentine Coburg in Vienna to enlist her help : “My dear friend, I appeal to your fraternal kindness about Marguerite’s future which is the main interest of my life. I have long thought that the best parti for her would be prince Carl Theodor. The warm welcome my children & I received from duchess Max last summer and what I saw of their family life have confirmed my choice. [...] I thought good empress Caroline [of Austria] could be of help. She has always been good and kind to me & mine and I hope she will agree to help us. I wish you would respectfully ask her if my plan meets her approval, if she thinks it wise to persist and whether she would agree to help me discover what the prince’s intentions are”.  Empress Caroline was willing to help and suggested an exchange of young princesses (Marguerite against duchess Sophie-Charlotte) as "Carl Theodor’s mother is anxious to have her daughter married after all that happened [the broken engagement btw Sophie & King Ludwig II]”. Sophie-Charlotte did marry the duke of Alençon but Gackel turned Marguerite down. Alençon thought Gackel had not been fair to his sister and was much angered. Archduchess Sophie also considered the young girl for her son Karl Ludwig but nothing came of it.

Marguerite finally went on to marry the widowed Polish prince Ladislas Czartoryski. Ladislas’s first wife had been a daughter of Queen Maria Cristina of Spain by her 2nd husband, the duke of Riansares. The civil wedding took place in Paris on Jan. 13 1872 and the religious one 3 days later in Chantilly castle. Marguerite’s wedding dress was of white satin strewn with lace and orange blossoms. On her head she wore a tulle veil and a crown of orange blossoms. Her cousin Chiquita Chartres wrote to her husband : "I trust Marguerite will be very happy. She is my best friend you know and I ardently wish to see her happy. The prince looks good and so distinguished it almost makes me forget his age [Ladislas was 43 when he married Marguerite]”. The newly-weds settled in the magnificent hôtel Lambert on the Saint Louis island in the heart of Paris. Two sons were born, Adam in 1872 and Witold in 1876.

Marguerite was noted throughout her life for her sweetness of temper, her quiet and dutiful character. She was able to get on well with her sister-in-law Sophie-Charlotte who was not much liked in the family (at least among the women of her own generation). She was also very pious and became a member of the Third Order of Saint Francis.

She died in Paris in 1893 (the bad state of her lungs seems to have been the cause). Her husband survived her a few months only and died in June 1894.

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2009, 01:00:04 AM »
Agneschen, so great you are back : ). Thanks for the info on Marguerite.

I am always interested in the French and Italian Catholic Princesses who married Polish Princes. Was Marguerite's choice of husband just a result of looking for a Catholic Prince of their marriage was for love?

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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2009, 05:07:19 AM »
I really do not know if they married for love or not Sveta. The duke of Nemours seemed to be desperate to find a husband for her daughter. Besides Marguerite was already 26 when she married and her husband a widower of 43 which would tend to make me think it was a marriage of convenience. But still I may be totally wrong and they may have been in love. There is so little (or actually so little published) about Marguerite that it is hard to know. She seems to have been close to her brothers, I have seen extracts of letters between them quoted here & there that always were very interesting. I wish some historians would publish them, they would probably help us know a lot more. The family ties in King Louis Philippe's family were very strong, his children & grandchildren wrote a lot to each others. I do wish these correspondances would come to light.

Marguerite & little sister Blanche :
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2009, 05:37:23 AM »
I didn't know that Marguerite was Czartoryski's second wife. Now I had a look into at some genealogical sites and have some questions:

1. I read that Maria Cristina of Spain married in December 1833, shortly after Ferdinando VII.'s death, an ex-sergeant of the royal guard, Augustín Fernández Muñoz, Duke of Riansares - secretly. But they had at least seven children... How did they manage to keep their marriage a secret??
As far as I know, Maria Cristina was also the mother of Luisa Fernanda duchess of Montpensier. Is there anything known about her relationship to her half-siblings and about the feelings she had when she heard that her half-sister's widower married her niece Marguerite?

2. Czartoryski and his first wife Doña Maria Amparo had a son, August Franciszek ("Gucio") who became a priest. Is it true that Pope Johannes Paul II. made him a saint in 2004? Why?
And do we know anything about Marguerite's relationship to her step-son? He was 14 when his father remarried.
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2009, 08:49:59 AM »
There's a thread on the family here:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=4044.0

Here's what Grand Duke wrote:

Bl. Augusto Czartoryski (1858-1893)
Priest of the Salesians of Don Bosco

Augusto Czartoryski was born on 2 August 1858 in Paris, France, the firstborn son to Prince Ladislaus of Poland and Princess Maria Amparo, daughter of the Duke and Queen of Spain. The noble Czartoryski Family had been living in exile in France for almost 30 years, in the Lambert Palace. Here, with the hope of restoring unity in Poland, they continued to direct activities between their fellow Polish countrymen and the European chancellery.

Plans for a future Prince

It was already planned that Augusto would be a future "reference point" for this restoration and would carry on the "Czartoryski" name. God's designs, however, were to unfold differently.

When Augusto was 6, his mother died of tuberculosis; the disease was also transmitted to him, and for the rest of his life he would be plagued by ill health. Although he had to make "forced pilgrimages" with his father to Italy, Switzerland, Egypt and Spain in search of a cure, he never regained his health.

As he grew up, Augusto felt that he was not meant for the life of nobility, and one day, when he was 20 years old, he wrote to his father: "I confess to you that I am tired [of all the parties]; they are superficial entertainments that cause me anguish and I feel myself 'forced' to make acquaintances with others at these banquets".

Augusto already received spiritual direction from his tutor, Joseph Kalinsowski, who would later become a Carmelite, and who, before leaving for Carmel in 1877, wrote to Prince Ladislaus to suggest that it would be wise, considering the boy's love for God, to entrust him to the direction of a priest.

Encounter with Don Bosco

Prince Ladislaus accepted the counsel given by Augusto's tutor, and Fr Stanislaus Kubowicz began to guide him. Augusto was already feeling more and more called to religious life and was hoping for a clearer indication of what God wanted from him: this "decisive event" took place when he was 25 and met Don Bosco, founder of the Salesians.

When Don Bosco came to Paris and celebrated Mass in the family chapel of the Lambert Palace, Augusto saw in this holy founder and teacher the "father of his soul" and guide for his future. While Augusto remained quiet and withdrawn in the face of matrimony plans made for him by his father, he had no intention of continuing the "noble line". Indeed, after his first encounter with the Salesian saint, he was more resolute than ever to answer God's call by becoming a Salesian.

When his father gave him permission, Augusto would travel to Turin to meet with Don Bosco and participate in spiritual retreats. He became comfortable with the "poverty" of the Salesian Oratory and was not disturbed by his frequent ill health or his father's opposition; he instead saw God's hand in all these circumstances.

He would say: "If God wants this, all will go well since he can take away every obstacle. If he does not want this, then neither do I".

A 'Prince' for God's Kingdom

Don Bosco was somewhat reluctant to accept Augusto into the Salesian community: it took Pope Leo XIII to remove his doubts when he gave Augusto this message: "Tell Don Bosco that it is the Pope's will that he receives you among the Salesians".

Don Bosco replied: "Well then, my dear son, I accept you. From this moment, you are a part of the Salesian Family and I desire that you belong here until you die".

In 1887 he began his novitiate under the guidance of Don Giulio Barberis. The young man had to overcome many "habits" and adjust to community life, schedule, frugal meals and other sacrifices. All this he did with great serenity and abandonment to God.

When his father came to try to convince him to return home and accept his nobility as "Prince", he refused. On 24 November 1887, the day of his vesting in the hands of Don Bosco, the holy founder whispered into Augusto's ear: "Courage, my prince! Today we have conquered, and I can also say with great joy that one day when you become a priest you will do much for your Country".

One year as Christ's priest

Don Bosco died two months later. Augusto's health was also worsening and his father continued to try to dissuade him from becoming a priest, using his ill health as an "excuse".

When Prince Ladislaus asked the "help" of Cardinal Parocchi to dismiss him from the Saiesians, Augusto wrote: "In full liberty I made my vows and I did this with great joy of heart. From that day I continue to live in the Congregation with an immense peace of spirit, and I thank the Lord for allowing me to know the Salesian Family and for having called me to become a Salesian".

On 2 April 1892 he was ordained a priest by the Bishop of Ventimiglia, Although Prince Ladislaus was not present at the Ordination, a month later, coined by the entire family in Mentone, he reconciled himself with his son's decision and renounced his own dreams of prestige and nobility for Augusto.

Fr Augusto died on 8 April 1893 in Alassio, where he lived his year as a priest, occupying a room which looked out onto the courtyard where the children of the Oratory played. He was 35 years old.


(I copied this from a site, so I don't know if it has any mistakes).
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2009, 08:51:08 AM »
Art added this:

Czartoriski-Royalty marriages:

a. Wladislaw (1828-1894) married 1872 Princess Marguerite of Orléans (1846-1893)

b. Olgierd (1888-1977) married 1913 Archduchess Mechtildis of Austria (1891-1966)

c. Izabelle (1902-1929) married in 1927 Prince Gabriel of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1897-1975)

d. Jozef August (1907-1946) married 1937 Princess María de los Dolores of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1909-1996)

The Czartoriski entered the royal marriage market with the alliance between Prince Wladislaw and Princess Marguerite of Orléans, a daughter of Prince Louis, Duke de Nemours and his wife Princess Victoire of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Kohary Line). Their Parisian residence, the Hôtel Lambert, was the sire of many a royal event in its time before being acquired by the Rothschild family.
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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2009, 08:51:38 AM »
The family website listed this about Wladislaw:

Younger son but political heir to his father, and artistic heir to his Grandmother Izabela. Marries Maria Amparo Countess of Vista Alegre, daughter of Queen Cristina of Spain, by morganatic relation to the Duke of Riancares. The couple becomes friends with Emperor Napoleon III and Empress Eugenia de Montijo, due to Spanish origin of both Ladies.

In 1872 Marries his second wife Princess Marguerite Orleans, grandaughter of King Loius-Philippe of France.

Also, his son Auguste from his first marriage, was beatified by the RCC. Prince Wladyslaw was totally opposed to his son's choice (to join the  Salesian order) and even went as far as to plead his case to the Pope Leon XIII. But in June 1887 Auguste renounced to all his family rights and inheritance, in favour of brothers from his father marriage with Princess Marguerite de Orleans. On the 24th of November 1887 Prince Auguste received his cloak from the hands of Don Bosco with these words, "My dear Prince today we have won a great victory. Be courageous and with God's will you will do a lot of good to your Country" His priesthood was very short and he died on Easter Day the 8th of April 1893 at the age of thirty-five leaving behind an example of strength, faith and love he is buried in Poland in the Silesian church in Przemysl.

His Holiness Pope Jean Paul II beatified Prince Auguste in Rome on the 25th of April 2004. Prince Adam Karol and Princess Josette Czartoryski attended with the Polish Ambassador to the Vatican Mrs. Hannah Suchocka. Around fifty members of the Czartoryski Family joined the ceremony along with all the people who came from Poland for the occasion. That evening and His Holiness granted a private audience to the Family with his benediction to all participants.
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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2009, 08:51:55 AM »
Wladislaw  (1828-1894); m.1st 1855 Marie Amparo Muñoz y Borbón Cdsa de Vista-Alegre (1834-1864); m.2d 1872 Marguerite Pss d'Orléans (1846-)

1) Franciszek August, Duque de Vista Alegre (1858-1893)

2) Adam Ludwyk (1872-1937); m.1901 Maria-Luisa Gfn Krasinska

a) Izabelle (1902-1929); m.1927 Gabriel of Bourbon-Two Sicilies
b) Elzbieta (1905-1989); m.1929 Ct Stefan Adam Zamoyski
c) Jozef (1907-1946); m 1937 Dolores of Bourbon-Two Sicilies
d) Anna Maria (1914-1987); m.1936 (div 1948) Pr Wladislaw Radziwill
e) Wladislaw (1918-1978); m. 1949 Elizabeth York
f) Tereza (1923-1967); m.1945 Jan Groda-Kowalski
g) Ludwyk Adam (1927-KIA 1944)

3) Witold (1876-1911)
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2009, 06:32:46 PM »


her husband



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« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2009, 06:37:11 PM »
Her son Adam



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« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2009, 07:17:20 PM »
A photo REMI posted on the Sophie Alencon thread

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« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2009, 07:42:34 PM »
It was reported in some US newspapers in 1865 that Prince Humbert (later Umberto I) had formed an attachment for Marguerite. I don't know whether this was true, and if so, what became of it, whether the papers confused "Marguerite de Savoie" (Queen Margherita) with the Orleans princess or made it up entirely.
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2009, 04:46:25 AM »
Thanks, Agneschen and GDssElla for the detailed info. All that is very interesting, for me the Polish Princes  and their French/Italian wives is now one more research, as after visiting the Radziwill's family nest Nesvizh (in Belarus) I am much interested in the Polish nobility as well as in any European : ).

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2009, 07:02:14 AM »



Marguerite d'Orléans
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