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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2008, 06:34:57 AM »

I am with Robert - the making of part was worth the investment.  The idea that the whole thing was shot with out cutting is amazing.

Perhaps if I watch it again without reading the subtitles and truly looking around, I will enjoy it more.


My DVD copy of Russian Ark arrived the other day and watched the film last night. What a fascinating project and well worth the price of admission, as they say. Plan on checking out the "Special Features" section today.

To think the finished product was all photographed using one continuous take boggles the mind in this day and age of CGI and other overly utilized digital effects. The actors were absolutely superb and had to really have their collective acts together to pull off something like this. Sort of similar to what it must have been like watching live television back in the days of the medium's infancy...minus the color, of course.

BTW: I love watching for mistakes in movies, which makes "Ark" all the more incredible as I could only spot one gaffe. Anyone else notice after the European is kicked out of one of the salons, he wanders over to view another painting. In the background, you can see the closed door he just departed from open slightly as if the actors behind it thought they'd be out of the frame of the shot and not get caught on film. Had to chuckle as I'm sure the director must have had a fit seeing this occur on his finished product!


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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2008, 08:21:56 AM »
i own this film and i think its great . for those who havent seen it - go buy it- NOW  ;)

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2008, 09:37:32 AM »
God, I wanna see this movie. I'll have to buy it in septemer, since my 'shop list' is made for august and there is already a quite pricy biography on it of Nicky and Alix, and also of Marie Antoinette + a new docu about Princess Diana - so that's enaugh royalty to me for one month, but I will buy it for sure after seeing pictures of it. And the Winter Palace on its own is a piece of art, history and Russian culture, which makes it probably even better. God I want too visit Russia someday ;D
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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2008, 09:49:08 AM »
God, I wanna see this movie. I'll have to buy it in septemer, since my 'shop list' is made for august and there is already a quite pricy biography on it of Nicky and Alix, and also of Marie Antoinette + a new docu about Princess Diana - so that's enaugh royalty to me for one month, but I will buy it for sure after seeing pictures of it. And the Winter Palace on its own is a piece of art, history and Russian culture, which makes it probably even better. God I want too visit Russia someday ;D

You don't have to wait until September to see this movie. Go to Laura Mabee's site, Frozen Tears. She has the movie there and you can download it. She also has the making of the documentary.

http://www.frozentears.org/

This is an awesome site. You will find many great films/documentaries on the Imperial Family.

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2008, 10:04:23 AM »
I know about Frozentears, and most of the movies there I have in my collection. Never noticed Russian Ark was on there :-[ But i'll have to watch it really soon now ;D Once again I have to say this: Thanks Laura, for all the work you did :)
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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2010, 10:49:53 PM »
On my recent trip to the Winter Palace I was quite interested in St. George's Hall. I've tried to search for information on it but I can't come up with anything and I figured someone here must know a few things about it.

Does anyone know of any important historical (or maybe not so important) things that occurred in that room or anything interesting about it?

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2010, 03:19:26 PM »
On my recent trip to the Winter Palace I was quite interested in St. George's Hall. I've tried to search for information on it but I can't come up with anything and I figured someone here must know a few things about it.

Does anyone know of any important historical (or maybe not so important) things that occurred in that room or anything interesting about it?



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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2010, 01:01:00 AM »
The throne was removed after the revolution and was return to its place only recently and fully restored. The Hermitage website has the whole story of the restoration

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2010, 08:30:05 AM »
Does anyone have any pictures of what St. George's Hall looked like before the fire?  According to wikipedia, it was by Quarenghi, had colored marble columns, and a painted ceiling.

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The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2012, 02:10:46 PM »
When I was in St Petersburg, I bought a book at the cathedral bookshop " Nicholas Romanov - Life and death" published 1998.
On the first double page after the introduction is a view of the Imperial Winter Palace in the 1900s. Photograph by K Bulla.

In addition to a stone wall with stone pillars with ironwork in between each pillar which has obviously been removed since 1918, there is a tall stone tower in the middle with a domed top and a pinnacle.

This tower is not there now. Does anyone have any information about the tower?
There are also a couple of canopied balconies that have been removed since.
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Re: The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2012, 01:37:13 PM »
. . . there is a tall stone tower in the middle with a domed top and a pinnacle.

This tower is not there now. Does anyone have any information about the tower?

I'm not sure which picture you are seeing.  You might be seeing the tower that held the first telegraph station in Russia, which was installed at the Winter Palace.  Is the tower near the western corner of the building?  Was there a flag flying from the tower?

You may find this link on the history of technology at the Winter Palace interesting:

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm5_13_0.html
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Re: The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2012, 03:26:08 AM »
When I was in St Petersburg, I bought a book at the cathedral bookshop " Nicholas Romanov - Life and death" published 1998.
On the first double page after the introduction is a view of the Imperial Winter Palace in the 1900s. Photograph by K Bulla.

In addition to a stone wall with stone pillars with ironwork in between each pillar which has obviously been removed since 1918, there is a tall stone tower in the middle with a domed top and a pinnacle.

This tower is not there now. Does anyone have any information about the tower?
There are also a couple of canopied balconies that have been removed since.
Alan

Is this the photo you are talking about?

[urlhttp://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/11/2004/hm11_5_27_00_11.html][/url]

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Re: The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2012, 05:05:40 AM »
If that is the picture to which Alan referred, it does, in fact, show the telegraph tower.  The first telegraph installed was an optical system, not an electrical system, whereby semaphore light signals were relayed from tower to tower . . . hence the height required for such a system.

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Re: The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2012, 04:12:13 PM »
Hmmm..Interesting! I wonder what happened to it? When did it get taken down?

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Re: The Winter Palace in 1900
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2012, 05:49:35 PM »
Actually, as I look again at the picture you linked and at Alan's post, he might be asking about another tower.  He mentions a tower with a dome and a pinnacle, but there are two towers in the picture, both with domes and pinnacles.  However, the telegraph tower -- which has a dome and pinnacle -- is still in place over what were the imperial family's private quarters on the western corner of the building.  The thinner, taller tower set further back in the picture is no longer there.  However, it's hard to tell from the picture just where it stood, or even whether it was part of the main building.  Could it have been the smokestack for the massive power generating station that was styled to fit in with the architecture of the complex?  (However, I cannot discern any chimney opening at the top.)  Looking at paintings, prints, and photographs of the complex as the 19th century progressed, it seems to have shown up only late in the century, which could suggest a connection with electrical power generation.  But this is just speculation on my part.

If you're interested, here's another little blurb on telegraphy as the tsars would have known it:

OPTICAL TELEGRAPH, semaphore telegraph, a visual system of message transfer, using conventional signs (semaphore alphabet, light signals, visible at night as well) given within direct visibility. The St. Petersburg - Schlisselburg optical telegraph line was constructed in 1824; the St. Petersburg - Tsarskoe Selo and St. Petersburg - Gatchina lines were opened in 1833-35; and the longest-reaching optical telegraph line in the world, the St. Petersburg - Warsaw line (1,200 km), was opened in 1839, with the signal going through 149 retransmitting stations over a period of 15 min. In St. Petersburg and its suburbs, an optical telegraph was placed on the roof of the Winter Palace, on the Duma Tower, on the tower of the Technological Institute, on top of the Chesmenskaya Military Hospice building, in Pulkovo, Tsarskoe Selo, and other locations. Due to the appearance of electric telegraph operation, use of the optical telegraph was discontinued in St. Petersburg in 1854.  (St. Petersburg Encyclopedia)