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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2008, 10:37:57 PM »
Hi Robert,

I really don't like popcorn anyway and you're right it demands something more elegant.
But, since I don't like caviar and champagne only to toast with, I'll go for a nice Belgian chocolate & some caramels...  And, maybe a whiskey sour or old fashioned!!!!

You're right about viewing it several times - even though I am semi literate in Russian (speaking, not reading or writing) I still haven't decifered the whole thing.
Sometimes I just watch the rooms and the paintings and contents.

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 11:54:32 PM »
I understand, Larry. It is a complicated film to understand, yet visually a real feast. I liked the "how it was made"  extra almost as much as the film itself.
 
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 08:03:47 PM »
I also loved this film for its visual quality. Because I'll likely never get a chance to go to Russia and see the Winter Palace for myself, it was a treat to "walk" through the palace by way of the film. It was a bit confusing when trying to understand what was going on with the man wandering through each room. Many thanks to Laura for putting it on her website!

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »
Well, it got here yesterday and I watched it and the making off it and that other strange thing about the three people who work in the Hermitage and the young boy who takes art lessons there.

The film itself is visually beautiful, but while reading the English subtitles, I lost a lot of the visual stuff.

The trip through the art gallery was too long and boring.  I wanted to get past the Frenchman's dislike of all things Russian and on to looking at the whole Hermitage.

I think that the director did keep most of the film in chronological order.  Peter II and his son Alexis.  Catherine II.  (But why we had to know that someone needed to take a "piss" (as they said)  is beyond me. (Sounds like my son when he was in Middle School and the usual bathroom humor).

Nicholas I.  References to the fire.  The short trips to the 1940s and to the present.  Nicholas II and his family at tea.  (Although I didn't think that they lived at the Winter Palace much when the children were that old. And I doubt that Alexandra went to tea with her family in fur and a tiara.)

I did notice GD Elizabeth wandering through the gallery toward the beginning of the art gallery sequence and of course she was walking with Alix on the way to the tea scene.

I know that the film was restricted to 90 minutes, but the director missed Alexander II and Alexander III when he moved from Nicholas I to Nicholas II.  And the reference was to 300 years of history, but the Winter Palace was began in 1754, and even if we include the 1940s shots that is only 191 years.

And of course the "last ball".  Which was a visual treat and a musical treat.   The whole soundtrack was beautiful and I now want to hear more Glinka.

I am with Robert - the making of part was worth the investment.  The idea that the whole thing was shot with out cutting is amazing.

Perhaps if I watch it again without reading the subtitles and truly looking around, I will enjoy it more.


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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2008, 11:57:43 AM »
Excellent review, Alixz.  Yes, a lot of historical  "poetic license" was taken, but then it is apocryphal, after all.
 The film was made as part of St Petersburg 300th anniversary, not the Winter Palace itself. I think the present Hermitage or Winter Palace is the 3rd or 4th  version to be built, so it does date  back a lot.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2008, 02:10:35 PM »
I might be wrong but I believe the room used for the Nicholass II tea was the room that the Imperial famlly used for their meals while staying at the winter palace. Rather small and cosy I suppose out of all the rooms they could use. I remember seeing a plan and their rooms were not that far from the Throne room.

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Well, it got here yesterday and I watched it and the making off it and that other strange thing about the three people who work in the Hermitage and the young boy who takes art lessons there.

The film itself is visually beautiful, but while reading the English subtitles, I lost a lot of the visual stuff.

The trip through the art gallery was too long and boring.  I wanted to get past the Frenchman's dislike of all things Russian and on to looking at the whole Hermitage.

I think that the director did keep most of the film in chronological order.  Peter II and his son Alexis.  Catherine II.  (But why we had to know that someone needed to take a "piss" (as they said)  is beyond me. (Sounds like my son when he was in Middle School and the usual bathroom humor).

Nicholas I.  References to the fire.  The short trips to the 1940s and to the present.  Nicholas II and his family at tea.  (Although I didn't think that they lived at the Winter Palace much when the children were that old. And I doubt that Alexandra went to tea with her family in fur and a tiara.)

I did notice GD Elizabeth wandering through the gallery toward the beginning of the art gallery sequence and of course she was walking with Alix on the way to the tea scene.

I know that the film was restricted to 90 minutes, but the director missed Alexander II and Alexander III when he moved from Nicholas I to Nicholas II.  And the reference was to 300 years of history, but the Winter Palace was began in 1754, and even if we include the 1940s shots that is only 191 years.

And of course the "last ball".  Which was a visual treat and a musical treat.   The whole soundtrack was beautiful and I now want to hear more Glinka.

I am with Robert - the making of part was worth the investment.  The idea that the whole thing was shot with out cutting is amazing.

Perhaps if I watch it again without reading the subtitles and truly looking around, I will enjoy it more.



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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2008, 10:29:32 PM »
In the "making of" section, there was mention that the room used for the tea was actually the room where the Provisional Government met to decide to ask for Nicholas's abdication.

It was a sort of ironic touch that missed most everyone unless you took time to look at the "making of".  I think I liked that part better that the actual film.

I didn't realize it was 300 years of St. Petersburg, there you see again - lost in the translation.

I do plan to watch it again and ignore the sub titles.  I am sure that I will see more of the glory of the palace the second time around.

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2008, 05:37:35 AM »
Members should sign an undertaking to say they have watched it before they are allowed on the forum...

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2008, 06:11:12 AM »
I read about that movie; 96 minutes only one cadre...and the whole movie....True?
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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2008, 06:14:58 AM »
Entire movie filmed in ONE shot! Never been done before and is breath taking.
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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2008, 11:41:31 AM »
I agree, Michael HR, [and the same could be said about people who comment on books they have read!]  the film is beautiful!  I found the story, or what there is of one, confusing- with or without subtitles, but the "making of" part is essential to understanding the project itself. I have been to the Hermitage several times, and  when I see the film again, I note something new to see the next time!
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2008, 12:01:18 PM »
Winter Palace is on my list of places when I get to Russia. I agree the making off is also fabulous and must be seen. Wish I had been an extra on that movie!
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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2008, 12:27:37 PM »
Thanks guys.  I thought there might be a thread already, but I didn't find one.  The movie was made in 2002, I think, so it has been around for a while.

I just ordered it from Amazon.  Can't wait for it to get here!

I just ordered the DVD from Amazon as well, along with the historical Romanov novel entitled "Crimson Snow: The Last Desperate Days of Imperial Russia".

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2008, 02:17:25 PM »
The idea of making a 90- minute movie with one camera and with cutting is incredible.  This director is known for his innovation.

According to the making of part - they did start and stop three times in the first twenty minutes, but the fourth time was a charm.  I guess batteries ran low (how could anyone forget batteries at a time like that) or light bulbs burst.

The steady cam operator said that just before the ball scene, he wanted to stop.  He said his legs and back and groin just couldn't take it anymore, but his assistant misunderstood him and they went on.  He then became so involved in the ball scene that he forgot his aches and was glad he did.

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Re: Winter Palace
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2008, 05:23:44 PM »
I just finished watching the Making of the Russian Ark. Brilliant. Absolutely a gem to watch. It really does boggle the mind to think that they did it in one shot. All the preparation, the timing, the technical work behind the scenes. I have more of an appreciation for the movie.

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