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Offline JulesReverie

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Seriously... Or Not...
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:39:45 PM »
Here's why I believe if there possibly were any surviviors we'd NEVER know and anyone who claimed they were are fakes out for money and fame

Seriously if you just watched your family get shot in front of your eyes and somehow survived that, you'd run and change identities immediately and live in constant fear and would never dare come out of hiding, I mean a gay omish man is more likely to come out than a Romanov would. A real romanov would be so tramatised that they'd forever keep their true identity a secret, I know I would.

A possible Romanov surviving will forever be a mystery unless they find the two missing bodies. My point is, a surviving Romanov would never claim their identity.

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2006, 09:54:25 PM »
I totally agree and have said this before. Any survivors would be afraid for their lives, and if they did live they'd hide under fake names in obscurity. The LAST thing they'd want to do is to put themselves all over the media going, look at me, here I am!

I am also annoyed at how many people claim that AA was denied for money, that the royals who denied her were 'paid off.' This is especially bad for Olga, who as the black sheep of the family lived a rather meager existence. She would never have lied for money she didn't get, or at all! She was right, AA was NOT her niece. If anyone was after money, it was the claimants, and some of their supporters!

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2006, 10:38:48 PM »
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I totally agree and have said this before. Any survivors would be afraid for their lives, and if they did live they'd hide under fake names in obscurity. The LAST thing they'd want to do is to put themselves all over the media going, look at me, here I am!

I am also annoyed at how many people claim that AA was denied for money, that the royals who denied her were 'paid off.' This is especially bad for Olga, who as the black sheep of the family lived a rather meager existence. She would never have lied for money she didn't get, or at all! She was right, AA was NOT her niece. If anyone was after money, it was the claimants, and some of their supporters!


Exactly, the Kitchen Boy, though complete fiction, is ten times more belieavable than AA's accusations and what not. If Maria survived she would change her name and marry and live a quiet existance as a loving mother(in my heart I believe she did), if Alexei miraculously survied he'd most likley die young(incredibly sad but true :'(), and if Anastasia would had survied, who knows, but she sure as hell wouldn't create a media circus over her survival like AA did.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2006, 04:21:16 AM »
From Kurth's book I always's got the impression that AA was terrified of the media and being found out in her early years after jumping off the bridge.....

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2006, 07:02:20 AM »
Then WHY did she go to so much trouble to put herself in the spotlight? She instigated it, (with the help and encouragement of others, I'm sure) so it was her choice. If she was so 'afraid' she could have never made her claim public, or she could have later dropped it.

Of course, if she had dropped it, there would have been a lot of hell to pay for her and those backing her, so they must have felt it better to continue the charade. Perhaps there were times she regretted it, but it was too far gone.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 08:31:12 AM »
Yes Annie, you're right, I'm sorry.

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P.S. I mean that seriously I'm not joking I'm way to tired to to argue any more.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 08:32:14 AM »
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From Kurth's book I always's got the impression that AA was terrified of the media and being found out in her early years after jumping off the bridge.....

Rachael



Your impressions from Kurth's book are the same as mine.  This woman was shy, and avoided publicity at all costs.  She probably had to be pushed to make the appearances she did.  I don't think she at all instigated any of it.  Peuthert, Smith, Von Rathlef, Botkin, they all seem to have pushed her towards seeking more notariety.   After all she was known as the hermit of the Black Forest, when she lived there.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2006, 03:25:59 PM »
Well, my question is: was she truly terrified because of a traumatic experience (such as the basement) or was she scared because she knew that too much attention would lead to the discovery of her lies?  That she would be figured out if too many people started following her story and caring about discovering the truth?  
Hindsight is 20/20.  When the myopic haze of of the present is lifted by the march of time we see it clearly as the past.  Sociology, psychology, anthropology.  They are all means of understanding that which came before.  History cannot stand alone.

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2006, 04:17:13 PM »
It's my belief that she didn't think of them as lies, she was convinced she was GD Anastasia, and for that I think she deserves sympathy.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2006, 07:49:32 PM »
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It's my belief that she didn't think of them as lies, she was convinced she was GD Anastasia, and for that I think she deserves sympathy.

Rachael


She does not merit any sympathy.


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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2006, 08:43:17 PM »
I'm not going to go all bleeding heart over AA, but I am sorry that she was a seriously disturbed woman who never got the help she needed.  Life must have been miserable for here all those years, her followers gave her everything but what she really needed: psychological help.  Living with constant depression, a gaping hole in your memory and in your identity, suicidal thoughts, maniacal mood swings must have taken their toll.  It's hard to think that, if she had been treated properly from the moment she was pulled from the Canal her life could have been totally different.  AA may be the poster child for why we should give thanks for the progression psychology has made.  
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2006, 09:41:21 PM »
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 .... if she had been treated properly from the moment she was pulled from the Canal her life could have been totally different.


Well stated Tsarina_Liz

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2006, 03:25:35 AM »
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She does not merit any sympathy.


To me that is very heartless, but still that is just my opinion.


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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2006, 04:21:07 AM »
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To me that is very heartless, but still that is just my opinion.

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No not heartless far from it I assure you.

I have no empathy for those who prefered to live a life surrounded by their own lies and deception.


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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2006, 08:41:56 AM »
I agree with JulesReverie and Annie-I doubt that they would want the spotlight on them.
And although I believe in none of the claimants,including AA,I do think that she deserves some sympathy.