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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2006, 08:52:25 AM »
I also agree that of anyone  had survived they would not have wanted to draw attention to themselves. I think they would have lived out their lives under an assumed name and tried to distance themselves from  their past. If  one of the girls had survived I think she would have married and had children but would not have wanted to draw attention to herself by claiming to be the only survivor or the massacre. And if Alexei had survived I really don't think that he would have lived long enough to marry and have a  family. The medical outlook for hemophiliacs at the beginning of the 20th century was not good. I remember reading somewhere that most died before they were 20.  Had he survived that night I don't think he would have lived as long as these claimants have.

As to whether or not any of the claimants deserve sympathy I really can't say.  If they were just doing it to deceive people then I say that they deserve NO sympathy whatsoever.  But if they had some type of mental illness in which they were actually though they were Romanovs then perhaps they do deserve a bit of sympathy. I think that most of the claimants were of the former type though.
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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2006, 09:01:48 AM »
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And if Alexei had survived I really don't think that he would have lived long enough to marry and have a  family. The medical outlook for hemophiliacs at the beginning of the 20th century was not good. I remember reading somewhere that most died before they were 20.  Had he survived that night I don't think he would have lived as long as these claimants have.
 


At least one major Alexei pretender claims that he didn't really have hemophilia after all but some other blood disorder that was mistaken for hemophilia by historians... And this is the crux of his claims.

Don't underestimate the claimants - they are very resourceful and have great creative talents, which is what earns them plenty of followers!

I don't know if any of you have bee around people with delusional disorders - they can be extremely convincing - to a point where you start questioning your own judgement rather than theirs!

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2006, 09:37:34 AM »
There is a disorder generally classified as a sociopathic illness, where the person has no genuine sense of truth or falsity. They say whatever seems to be the "correct response" and genuinely believe what they are saying at the time. Often, when confronted later, they will deny making that earlier statment with equal conviction, actually believing they never made it. I have actually encountered two people with this sociopathic behavior. It does almost make you start to doubt yourself sometimes.

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2006, 01:24:19 PM »
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There is a disorder generally classified as a sociopathic illness, where the person has no genuine sense of truth or falsity. They say whatever seems to be the "correct response" and genuinely believe what they are saying at the time. Often, when confronted later, they will deny making that earlier statment with equal conviction, actually believing they never made it. I have actually encountered two people with this sociopathic behavior. It does almost make you start to doubt yourself sometimes.



I think that everyone knows at least one person like this. This is a lot more common than most people realize!

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2006, 08:26:59 PM »
Personally, I believe that if any member of the family had survived- which i definitely do NOT believe was the case, they would have, no matter how traumatised, gone directly to the family members that did, in fact "make it". That is, the Empress Dowager, the aunts or even other royal relatives.  They would have found a secure sanctuary and they would have known how to reach it. No publicity and no fortune schemes would have been necessary. The scenario would most likely have been very quiet seclusion, at least initially. There were plenty of Romanovs running around Europe- no one was chasing them down with hit marks.
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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2006, 08:46:51 PM »
I agree with Mr. Hall. They would have wanted the protection and comfort of family...

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2006, 10:17:31 PM »
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Personally, I believe that if any member of the family had survived- which i definitely do NOT believe was the case, they would have, no matter how traumatised, gone directly to the family members that did, in fact "make it". ... They would have found a secure sanctuary and they would have known how to reach it. No publicity and no fortune schemes would have been neccessary.


I like the logic of your thoughts here Robert. This is the most probable scenario any alleged survivor would have considered. Genuine persons would know where to turn.

Another possibility of course would have been to turn the Orthodox Church in the first instance. With respect, a Polish Catholic would not have considered this direct avenue for assistance.

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2006, 11:19:53 PM »
If  GD Anastasia/GD Maria  survived,  we have no idea if she was able to leave  Siberia.  Or, if she left Siberia,  she may never have left Russia.

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2006, 07:09:46 AM »
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If  GD Anastasia/GD Maria  survived,  we have no idea if she was able to leave  Siberia.  Or, if she left Siberia,  she may never have left Russia.

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If either lady "left" Russia...it was with quite a few bullit and bayonet wounds....and rifle butt smashes...et al... ::)

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2006, 11:09:28 AM »
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Here's why I believe if there possibly were any surviviors we'd NEVER know and anyone who claimed they were are fakes out for money and fame

Seriously if you just watched your family get shot in front of your eyes and somehow survived that, you'd run and change identities immediately and live in constant fear and would never dare come out of hiding, I mean a gay omish man is more likely to come out than a Romanov would. A real romanov would be so tramatised that they'd forever keep their true identity a secret, I know I would.

A possible Romanov surviving will forever be a mystery unless they find the two missing bodies. My point is, a surviving Romanov would never claim their identity.


This topic is about if they survived would they have claimed their identity.  So,  there is no need to talk about smashed faces, bayonet wounds etc. etc. etc.

I think that a survivor would have kept their identity a secret.  Revealing themsleves would have caused a stir and it would have reached the local authorities who would have loved to have had credit for  capturing a missing Romanov.  

If the survivor never reached a "safe place" then their identity died with the survivor.  

If they told a loved one their story,  it would have placed the loved one in danger.  

One would think that keeping this kind of secret would be impossible.  But this was a very deep, dark and dangerous secret.  

Even if they told someone,  the person hearing the story may not have believed such a "tall tale" but gave pretense to apease an elderly old woman who's mind was failing and starting to imagine she was some kind of princess...

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2006, 12:06:29 PM »
I really think any legitimate escapee would have been able to make him/herself known to the right people. Look at Helena of Serbia's harrowing adventure, yet she made it to her mother in law's home in Sweden safely.

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2006, 12:20:42 PM »
Do you have a list of people who was around who could have helped GD Anastasia who had just escaped Yuuruovsky and his group?

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2006, 01:04:21 PM »
Besides the silly story of AA escaping in a cart from Russia...bullet wounds,bayonet wounds,gun butts to the face("Only a flesh wound")...there are actually some folk who believe that various other Anastasia women might have survived....and then....hid their identity...sheesh...Is this what comes of watching the X-Files...?... ::)
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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2006, 01:15:07 PM »
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Besides the silly story of AA escaping in a cart from Russia...bullet wounds,bayonet wounds,gun butts to the face("Only a flesh wound")...there are actually some folk who believe that various other Anastasia women might have survived....and then....hid their identity...sheesh...Is this what comes of watching the X-Files...?... ::)

 thank god for Alexander Tchaikovsky hey?? without him she would never have escaped  

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Re: Seriously... Or Not...
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2006, 05:08:11 PM »

Just a flesh wound? No, I'd 'call it a draw'.
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