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Offline Sissi

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2006, 04:16:08 PM »
thanks! ;D

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2006, 04:29:00 PM »
Thanks for all the information.
BTW where is the necklace now ?
In a Museum ?

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2006, 04:29:54 PM »
I think Jeanne broke it up and sold it.  :o
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006, 04:33:32 PM »
yes she did, most of the stones were sold by her lover Retaux de Villette.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2006, 04:06:22 AM »
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 agree, too. Wasn't it originally designed for Madame du Barry?


Indeed, this horrible thing was made for the favorite. When the king died, Böhmer and Basenge didn't know what to do with this so expensive piece made of all the most beautiful diamonds... They proposed it to Louis XVI, for the queen. How delicate an attention, my ! First for her personal enemy, and since not, for her ! For sure she would be happy !
They at least tried twice to sell the necklace to the queen, but she always refused.
qu'ils sachent du moins, que jusqu'à mon dernier moment j'ai pensé à eux.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2006, 04:10:19 AM »
Jeanne de La Motte-Valois was a descendant of Henri II's child by Nicole de Savigny, Henri de Saint Rémy-Valois (1557-1621).
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2006, 08:16:04 AM »
Oh, that's right! Thanks, umigon!

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2007, 05:14:10 PM »
Jeanne de Saint-Rémy de Valois, the last of the Valois family. Who was she ?
Saw yesterday a film on the Affair of the Necklace.
The film was based on real facts and figures, according to the producer.
I knew of the participation of Cardinal de Rohan in the affair of Marie-Antoinette's necklace but I found out that Jeanne de Valois masterminded the entire coup and duped the Cardinal.

The film starts with the murder of her father by the king's guard. He was a member of Parliament and a firm opponent of the Ancient Régime.
His name ... de Valois didn't help.
His wife's Jeanne's mother died a short time later with a broken heart, leaving the poor orphan alone.
When she grew up she did all to recover the right to use her name and to regain the family chateau which had been confiscated by the crown.

As her efforts were not successful near the RF nor the PM, together with her lover, count Retaux de Villette and her husband, count Nicolas de la Motte, she approached Cardinal Louis de Rohan, Grand Cardinal of France, to win his favour.
Instead he tried to seduced her.
Knowing that M.Antoinette was Louis de Rohan's declared ennemy, she started a plot to get revenged from the Queen and the Cardinal.

But who was she ?
She must have been a descendant from any illegitimate branch of the Valois, since the last person of the royal Valois-Orléans-Angoulême was Marguerite (La Reine Margot), wife of Henri IV de Bourbon.
Marguerite (b.1553-d.1615) was the sister of François II (husb. of Mary Queen of Scots), Charles IX and Henri III.

Jeanne survived the French Revolution as she escaped to London, where she wrote her Mémoires and told the affair.

I just saw the film on DVD. I thought they did a pretty good job in recreating the facts (more or less) accurately. It was a very sympathetic portrayal of Jeanne de Valois in this affair, whereas Marie Antoinette's biographies (those sympathetic to the latter) tend to be more brutal towards her (de Valois)...


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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2007, 10:16:38 AM »
yes she did, most of the stones were sold by her lover Retaux de Villette.
22 of the main diamonds were mounted as a necklace for the 1st Duke of Sutherland (died 1833) to give to his wife Elizabeth (Countess of Sutherland in her own right).Their descendant Elizabeth countess of Sutherland now owns the necklace.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2007, 07:40:37 AM »
One can imagine that in the dark, she could resemble the Queen.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2007, 03:38:19 PM »
Jeanne de la Motte never impersonated the queen herself. It was a prostitute called Nicole d'Oliva who played the part of the queen during the famous encounter with the Cardinal de Rohan in the shrubberies of Versailles.

It is a confusing story though! :)
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2007, 11:38:28 PM »
I agree, too. Wasn't it originally designed for Madame du Barry?

As I am sure we all know Madame du Barry was of a mind and taste that shocked the court.  I believe her overbearing style or ornamentation was better suited for the reign of the Roi Soliel than that of Louis XV.  But still, the necklace was originally commissioned with her in mind.  Before it was finished (to my knowledge) Louis XV died, and the reign of Louis XVI and less ornamented design began, condemning the necklace.
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2007, 02:01:28 AM »
Jeanne de la Motte never impersonated the queen herself. It was a prostitute called Nicole d'Oliva who played the part of the queen during the famous encounter with the Cardinal de Rohan in the shrubberies of Versailles.

It is a confusing story though! :)

Thanks Bell.  You are right!  I stand corrected.

Sophie :)

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2007, 06:39:53 PM »
You're welcome!  ;D
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