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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #420 on: December 17, 2005, 02:04:54 PM »
Yes, the entire area has been searched, as have  other areas.

Two bodies are still missing.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #421 on: December 17, 2005, 02:44:05 PM »
Thankyou Bear, it's all a big mystery over what's happened tot he missing bodies. The truth is we will never know the truth unless the bodies are found so all we can do is speculate.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #422 on: December 17, 2005, 03:08:08 PM »
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The truth is we will never know the truth unless the bodies are found so all we can do is speculate.

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So, this logic means we will also never know the truth of the 1,200 people aboard Titanic whose bodies were never recovered, until we actually find them. Further, we can never know the truth about what happened to the 1,400 or so victims of the 9/11 attack of whom no trace was ever found. So, all we can do about these people is speculate as well.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #423 on: December 17, 2005, 03:32:36 PM »
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Yes, the entire area has been searched, as have  other areas.


This could (& probably should) be construed as nitpicking, but as long as we're going to speak in absolutes...

Has the ENTIRE area truly been searched? As in EVERY square inch? And to what depth has every square inch been dug? If the answer is no, it's still quite possible that the missing bodies are there somewhere, isn't it?
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #424 on: December 17, 2005, 04:06:55 PM »
Dear FA I am sorry, once again, for my use of flawed logic, I feel very, very small because of it.Rachael
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #425 on: December 17, 2005, 04:39:40 PM »
Rachael,
Please do not feel "small" at all!! Rather, feel good that you have learned something! You learned something about what is called "critical thinking" which is a very complex thing indeed. We are here to learn from each other, not put others down or make them feel small.  

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #426 on: December 18, 2005, 04:06:41 AM »
Thanks Fa, I tend to think of impressive things to say, that sound right and make sense in my head but when I share them with people I realise how many flaws there are in my thinking!

It confuses me lots!

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #427 on: December 18, 2005, 10:16:10 AM »
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This could (& probably should) be construed as nitpicking, but as long as we're going to speak in absolutes...

Has the ENTIRE area truly been searched? As in EVERY square inch? And to what depth has every square inch been dug? If the answer is no, it's still quite possible that the missing bodies are there somewhere, isn't it?


Some posters may think I am "nitpicking" but the bodies are missing.  And, they are not where Yurovsky said they would be.  

Every summer since the discovery of the mass grave there have been professional scientists looking for the missing two bodies.  All of Pig's Meadow has been turned and the missing two bodies have not been found.  

As I have said,  why would Yurovsky tell the truth about nine an not about the two missing?

If you think real hard,  I bet you can come up with a few reasons why the two are missing.   Let me provide a few theories:
1) the missing two escaped
2) the missing two fell off the truck in transport
3) the missing two bodies were stolen
4) the missing two were buried elsewhere.....  

The fourth reasons is what most people are telling us must have occured but why were they buried elsewhere?

You can make your own list.

Comparing two missing bodies in the woods cannot be compared to the missing bodies of a huge ship having sunk and bodies not being recovered.  Bodies that are buried are not taken away by the current or eaten by fish.  Although, it is suggested that wild animals may have dug up the grave of the missing two and ....  Even if this was so, the entire grave would not have been exposed and portions of the bodies would have been found.... From what I understand,  this was not considered by the scientists for several reasons.  The bodies,  according to Yurovsky, had been burnt and animals would not be drawn to this and prefer their natual foods.  So, if you believe Yurovsky and if he was honest then the bodies were burned.   In the depth of winter when natural foods may be harder to find,  the ground is too frozen for an animals to dig for food.

There are special gadgets, now,  that somehow zero in on graves of people and animals.  This has been used by the scientists as well as the many who have shown up who want to be the ones to find the missing bodies and make a name for themselves.

Areas around Pig's Meadow have been searched and dug up to the depths that would be considered deeper than expected.

Bodies have been found but not the missing two Romanovs.

I am not sure that any scientists looked this year.  They may have given up this task.  I am sure if they did continue that as soon as there was proof two Romanov bodies were found that it would be in the news already.

By the way,  Yurovsky's two testimonies have been copied by me and placed on the thread  Questions About Testimonies of Yurovsky and others.  

I'll go find the URLs and bring them back.  Some of you might be interested in the conversation around these testimonies.

At this time,  FA and others think the case is closed.  For them it is.

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« Reply #428 on: December 18, 2005, 10:29:16 AM »
1) Questions About the Testimonies of Yurovsky and Others:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=lastdays;action=display;num=1106530719;start=0#0

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In the next couple of days,  I'm going to type in the testimony of Yurovsky of 1920. Since this copy is found in THE FALL OF THE ROMANOVS, I assume, the words in the brackets are the authors Steinberg's and Khrustalev's:

>>On 16 July [1918], a telegram in previously agreed-upon language came from Perm containing the order to exerminate the R-ovs [Romanovs].  At first (in May), the intention was to bring Nicholas to trial, but this was prevented by the advancing Whites.  On the 16th at 6 o'clock in the evening, Filipp G-n [Goloshchekin] decreed that the order be carried out.
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #429 on: December 18, 2005, 10:36:41 AM »
What did Yurovsky write about the two bodies buried apart from the mass grave?  

His testimony of 1920 states:

>>We wanted to burn A. [Aleksei] and A.F., but by mistake the lady-in-waiting [he maid Demidova] ws burnt with A. instead.  We then immediately buried the remains<<

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