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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2004, 03:12:33 PM »
"Denial as we now know is a necessary part of the grieving process."

This is true.  And, this is one of the many theories  I've pondered.  And, at  the end of this discussion this "grieving process" may be the conclusion of some people on this Discussion Board.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2004, 09:31:36 PM »
I'm writing a research paper about Anastasia Nikolaevna Romanova and I need 20 good bibliographical references to start. Could anyone recommend any good books, websites, articles, etc.? I would really appreciate your help!   :)

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2004, 08:59:39 AM »
Hello Deshka,
Are you to include Anna Anderson in your study?This is very important to know what books you will need.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2004, 06:02:33 PM »
Antonio, I've heard that in the Spanish edition of Summers & Mangold there is a chapter under the name "The Spanish friend" ("El amigo espanol") not included in the English original, about all the negotiations between King Alphonso XIII and the soviets concerning  his offer of assylum in Spain for the Tsaritsa and her daughters. Do you know something about this? Is is possible to find the book in Spain?

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2004, 10:06:27 PM »
Hello Namarolf!
I must confess that i bought the english edition long before knowing that an spanish one did exist, so  I could not tell you for sure. The book you can buy in some spanish internet bookshop. I will send you the link if i find it. Those negotiations took place and there is somewhere in this forum a link for an spanish article on that subject.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2004, 08:59:30 PM »
Does anyone know where a person could find information [in English] that talks about the White Army officers who went into Ekaterinburg three days after the day the CHEKA claimed they executed Nicholas II and the others on the night of 16/17 July 1918?

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2004, 02:52:07 PM »
Hi AGRBEAR, have you read "The Fate of The Romanov's" by Greg King and Penny Wilson??  I've just finished it and am still feeling overwhelmed by the information in that book....like I need to sit by myself somewhere and just think about it!!  It has more details about the days after the execution than I have ever read before, maybe the name you are looking for will be there.  Good luck.         Arleen

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2004, 02:26:43 PM »
Does anyone remember that guy claiming to be the grandson of Nicholas II by an illegitimate daughter that the Tsar conceived with an alleged illegitimate half-sister?

Anthony Goralski or something?  

What was the deal with him?  (His page was a riot, the guy was a total conspiracy theorist, Illuminati, tin foil hat, the whole bit)
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2004, 10:30:07 PM »
He was and is a whack job. Welcome to the wonderful world of the Romanov crazies! One time in the 1990's "Tony" mailbombed me. Oh joy.

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2004, 05:48:03 PM »
Hopefully he has stopped harrassing people. He was very evil with Bob and me. I don't wonder where he has gone!

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2004, 03:24:06 AM »
Nikolai Sokolov's book on the investigation was published in French and was translated into English I remember reading it in my university library. It is an excellent report on teh investigation but leaves out a lot of key testimony especially ANYTHING concerning the possibility of surviving Romanov's

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2004, 09:44:15 AM »
Having read both the original French and much later English translations of Sokolov, I must caution that the English translation by O'Conor is not very accurate. He seems not to really understand the vocabulary and terminology of French of the earlier 20th Century.  I use a 1910 French/English dictionary when translating these earlier sources, its amazing how much vocabulary can change in just thirty or forty years..

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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2004, 05:16:50 PM »
A friend and I saved the text from his site and were going to write up an MST3K treatment of it for a fan fic site, but we never finished it.

From what I've read of the account, for the bodies NOT to have been the Romanovs, you'd have to go out, find a bunch of people exactly similiar to each person who was murdered, kill them, bury them, and then make up rumors and such for years.  Doesn't sound likely.
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2004, 06:16:28 PM »
Not according to Massie.
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Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2004, 10:04:13 PM »
In his book, The Romanovs, the Final Chapter, he quotes one of those who studied the remains who states:

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On the larger issue, Maples agreed absolutely with Abramov that these are the Romanovs.  The nine skeletons fit the requirements of age, sex, height and weight of nine of the prisoners in the Ipatiev House.  "If you were to go out at random and try to assemble another group of people to fit exactly these historical and physical descriptions, you would have to do remarkable research and then go out and find and kill nine identical people," said Maples.  He regards this as so unlikely as to be impossible.

-Massie, 67-69.

So no, Massie isn't a geneticist, but the people he's quoting ARE experts at this type of thing.

Then the DNA pretty much fit the criteria.

I think in this case, Occam's Razor applies-the simpliest explanation is the most likely.  Why come up with a bunch of conspiracy theories?
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