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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2005, 12:07:08 PM »
This book is nonsense to the core, no more or no less. I read it and reviiewed it two years back and should really post my review, because it tells what I think of the subject although I could do that another way too ::) It is nonsense, that is all, it doesn't make any sense, and the author just had money in mind because this is such a debated topic, it sells. None of it is remotely historical, and it should be lumped with all other conspiracy theories, and low in the realm of those even. That is my opinion.

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #151 on: November 03, 2005, 04:34:19 AM »
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Sunday Times (UK)
3 June 2001
Book Review
Bones of contention
By John Crossland

THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR:
The Truth behind the Disappearance of the Romanovs
by Shay McNeal

On a humid July night in 1918, the former imperial family of Russia, together
with their servants, were ushered into a basement room of a mansion in
Siberia. The door burst open to reveal 11 assassins, one for each victim.
Their commander, Yacov Yurovsky, read out the death sentence and a stunned
tsar had time only to plead, "Why, oh why?" before a shell from Yurovsky's
Colt spun him off his feet, split seconds before the assassins' fusillade
turned his family into bloody, broken marionettes.

Such has been the generally accepted version of the end of the Romanovs,
popularised by the film Nicholas and Alexandra, and enshrined in the Russian
official inquiry into the putative Imperial remains found in a Siberian
forest in 1979, secretly reburied and unearthed again in 1991.

Doubts, however, have always remained about the massacre. When the Bolsheviks
first proclaimed, within days of the alleged shootings, that they had
executed Nicholas II, the announcement was greeted by a wave of scepticism -
not least because the tsar's wife and children were specifically excluded
from the death notices. Investigations in the 1970s by two BBC journalists,
Anthony Summers and Tom Mangold, asked further questions, in particular of
the Sokolov Report, the White Russians' forensic exercise in 1919 which has
formed the basis for the massacre theory. Their powerful case, argued in The
File on the Tsar (1976), found much of the evidence implausible.

But Summers and Mangold received a setback with the publication of the
Yeltsin Commission's findings in 1991 and with the unmasking of Anna
Anderson, the Anastasia claimant, as a fake.

Now Shay McNeal provides a further twist to this inscrutable tale. An
American former political consultant turned archival researcher, McNeal was
not satisfied with the 1991 commission's verdict, and believed that Yeltsin
had merely wished to close a sordid chapter in Russian history, ensuring the
DNA and forensic evidence fitted a politically correct solution. Reopening
the Summers and Mangold line of inquiry, McNeal has drawn on newly
declassified files in American and Russian archives in an attempt to prove
the existence of a plot (or plots) to rescue the imperial family.

To do that, she needed to discredit the critical scientific tests that were
the cornerstone of the 1991 commission's argument for closing the case on the
Romanovs. McNeal cites an American expert who claims that the clinching
evidence, the mtDNA match of the Duke of Edinburgh with the tsarina Alexandra
and her children, could not be accepted as proof of identity. It is a claim,
incidentally, that Home Office forensic scientists vigorously deny, although
they do concede that DNA is never taken as conclusive evidence by itself, but
in conjunction with other tests on the bones, preferably soon after
exhumation. These, McNeal asserts, were not done and a question persists
about the Russians' handling of the material.

So, a reasonable doubt remains over whether there was a massacre. What case
does McNeal make, then, for the family's survival? Her trawl of American
Secret Service documents has revealed a string of incidents and relationships
between shadowy individuals, apparently innocuous in themselves but which
taken together point to an international plot to save the tsar and dish
Bolshevism.

Her important new lead on the Romanov mystery has come from the Hudson Bay
Company records, which show a strange obsession among Allied intelligence
operatives with building a luxurious house in Murmansk for seven (the
family's number). In June 1918 a company trouble-shooter also working for
MI6, and Jonas Lied, a Norwegian Arctic shipping merchant, set up a rescue
bid on orders from "C" (Britain's Secret Service head), aimed at spiriting
the family up the Siberian river system, then to Murmansk and finally to
England in a motor torpedo boat. That rescue attempt apparently misfired
because the "snatch" by their Russian confederates was anticipated by the
local Soviet.

Meanwhile, says McNeal, Sidney Reilly, "the Ace of Spies", was busy arranging
a £500,000 ransom to Lenin for the family - bidding against the Kaiser. The
most incredible claim ever made for the tsar's escape was in a book, Rescuing
the Czar, published in a limited edition in San Francisco in 1920 and
withdrawn from circulation almost immediately due to "pressure from on high"
(the British Library has a copy). Although it has hitherto been dismissed as
pure fantasy (with its claim that the Romanovs were smuggled out of their
prison, via a secret tunnel, to the British consulate across the street, and
thence to Shanghai, via Tibet, ending up with assumed identities in Ceylon)
McNeal has applied some lateral thinking to the thesis and discovered that
there was more to it than anyone has realised. She says, "it mirrors many
events that we now know had really taken place but which in 1920 could only
have been known of by someone who was on the ground at the time".


But does her fascinating search, which includes mysterious Tibetan lamas,
disappearing Yangtze gunboats and secret missions by George V's cousin to
Japan, lead us to the tsar? Unfortunately the trail peters out in Ceylon. For
all her hard work (including proving that the "execution" Colt revolver was,
according to its serial number, at a Kentucky army barracks at the time),
McNeal gets no closer to a definitive answer than anyone else. Perhaps Yacov
Yurovsky was right when he claimed that "the world will never know what we
did with them!"

The greatest mystery of the 20th century remains unsolved.

Available at the Books Direct price of £15.99 inc p&p on 0870 165 8585
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #152 on: November 03, 2005, 11:16:20 AM »
Yes, it will always be a mystery ;)My review is shorter. Thanks for posting that. Still, even if I was a paid reviewer, I would say I didn't like it. Read some amazon reviews for this.  ;)

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2005, 11:55:01 AM »
When you read the reviews in amazon, make sure you read the bad and the good.

Apparently there are a handful of people who dislike the book and their critical view should not over shadow what John Crossland, a man who knows about the CIA, M15, "Spooks"  etc., and a well known reviewer of such books for the London Times, and others who liked this book.

For me, it's been a well full of information which usually carries excellent sources and I can go straight to these sources and read it for myself.

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2005, 11:58:42 AM »
I respect all who like the book, although I don't. I also respect all those who believe in Anna Anderson although I don't. At least if you believe the events set forth in this book, you don't believe in Anna Anderson ;)I guess prefer the straight version of the romanov story. Oh well ;) But, to each his own.

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2005, 12:04:01 PM »
I reviewed this on amazon on April 3, 2004 under the title Nonsense! If you want to read my review ;) 4 out of 6 found it helpful. I should have expanded on it, I believe. P.S. I gave it one star! 8)

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2005, 12:22:27 PM »
If you are  looking for information about Anna Anderson,  you will be disapointed.

McNeal's information deals with plots to save the Tsar, as the title implies.

One of the points she makes which is interesting to me is the connections of various people, like McGarry, who was in contact with Georg Romanovsky.

See p. 226.

>>McGarry's trading was not limited to steel, for on 20 June 1919 he wrote to George Romanovsky, in response to a request from Romanovsky about b ringing in an amazing #315 million in gold.<<

>>...McGarry and Romanovsky were closely connected to the Kolchak government that was then in possession of the Tsarist gold as well as being the governemnt conducting tthe investigation of the presumed murders of the Tsar and his family<<

Doesn't this make you want to know more?

p. 227

>>George Romanovsky, the other man associated with Rescuing the Czar, as well as the armaments and gold, was in July 1920 serving in San Francisco as acting consul general of the Provisional Governemnt of Russia.<<

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2005, 08:40:57 AM »
Yes, I said this book didn't cover Anna Anderson, which is about the only good point it has. Still, that is a good point. :)

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #158 on: January 22, 2006, 02:51:02 PM »
I took a recent look at Shay McNeal's web site.  She has included an interview of herself.  If you'd like to see it go to:

http://www.shaymcneal.com/pages/921977/index.htm

There is part one and part two.

I always enjoy listening to actual interviews of people who have something to say even when it's not popular.

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #159 on: January 22, 2006, 04:23:08 PM »
Thanks Bear, for the website.  I learned a lot.  I too have to read for myself!

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2006, 07:12:35 PM »
Still, popular or unopopular, what this women has to say makes little enough enough sense, but, again, that is just my opinion. ;)

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #161 on: January 23, 2006, 12:30:18 PM »
I am curious,  imperial angel,  what do you think of John Crossland, a man who knows about the CIA, M15, "Spooks"  etc., and a well known reviewer of such books for the London Times?

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #162 on: January 29, 2006, 07:48:38 PM »
Ok..I have nothing more to say as I must confess I don't much about the person you mentioned.  ;)

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #163 on: June 12, 2006, 08:22:58 PM »
It has a lot of similarities to The File on the Tsar...in that the speculation that 'something' wasn't right on that night.  But all in all, it appears to be wishful thinking and theories

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Re: Secret Plot to Save the Tsar-by Shay Mcneal
« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2006, 12:27:12 PM »
Right on! ;D