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Offline AkshayChavan

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2006, 06:56:48 AM »
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Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)


Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.

Personally, being in that situation i would have prefered to die at hands of bolshevik bullets. Being shot to death by bolsheviks was the most dignified way out. Alternatively, death at hands of peasants was so babaric and horrific - beaten with iron rods till your skull is smashed or being skinned alive or buried alive (I cannot go on any further) . I read that many people commited suicide than die at the hands of peasants.

Also the "Bread of Exile" was also not easy. Imagine princes and investment bankers working as taxi drivers and cleaners. And these were creme de la creme of refugees. The terrible fate of Natalie Brassova haunts me. I think fate would have been kinder to her had she died with Micheal in Perm.
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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2006, 07:08:44 AM »
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Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.
 


Thank you AkshayChavan. I am so pleased to read that, as with the french revolution it served them right. That's poetic justice for you :)

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2006, 09:22:37 PM »
Lenin caused his own death by contracting an STD.


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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2006, 11:42:15 PM »
Since he was such an unpersonable and ugly man, he must contracted the illness from a prostitute.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2006, 09:26:09 AM »
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Lenin caused his own death by contracting an STD.


Great, serves him right :)
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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2006, 05:03:54 PM »
Some additional members of princely/noble houses killed during the Revolution, the three Russian born grandsons of Prince Rudolf Hugo Maximilian von Thurn und Taxis who was created Freiherr von Troscow in 1894 because of an unequal marriage made in 1857:

Alexander Freiherr von Troskow born on 30 September 1895 and died in Russia 1917/20.

Michael Freiherr von Troskow born on 11 December 1900 and died in Russia 1917/20.

Georg Freiherr von Troskow born on 27 June 1903 and died in Russia 1917/20.


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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2006, 07:48:13 PM »
How sad! They were just 25, 20 and 17 years old in 1920.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2008, 11:57:06 AM »
Does anyone know the circumstances leading to the death of Princess Nina Vladimirovna Bockmann Golitsyna? I noticed that she was the daughter-in-law of the former Prime Minister Prince Nicholas Golitsyn.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2008, 05:02:28 AM »
Very sad! It reminds me also of the innocents killed during the French Revolution.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2008, 10:09:39 AM »
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Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)

Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.

I wouldn't indulge in too much "smug satisfaction." Many innocent people also died in Stalin's gulags. In fact, most of the dead were innocent. As for the "peasant murderers" do you honestly assume that all of the "kulaks" who died at Stalin's hands were killers? David Pritchard's work is admirable, the innocents should be remembered, but the absolute glee you and Eddie-uk seem to feel over the murders of others, regardless of political persuasion, is truly disturbing.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2008, 10:31:56 AM »
oh, get over yourself.
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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2008, 12:10:40 PM »
1) Two sons of Count SD Sheremetev, Boris and Dimitri were murdered at ostafievo.
I would like others to add to this list. Did all others manage to escape?

You are mistaken – Sergei’s son Dmitri escaped Russia in 1919 and lived the rest of his life in Rome. He died there in the 1940s. His daughter Praskovia married Prince Roman Petrovich of Russia. As for Boris he was arrested by the Bolsheviks and released in 1918. What became of him after that I do not know. I do know that two of the Sheremetev's brothers-in-law were murdered by the Bolsheviks in Moscow in 1919: Alexander "Alik" Saburov who was married to Alexandra Sheremeteva and Alexander Vasilyevich "Sasha" Gudovich, the husband of Maria Sheremeteva, the former Gov. of Kutaisi. A few excerpts from their niece's memoirs were published in a newspaper a few years ago and she described how her uncles were arrested in 1918 along with Sergei's sons Paul and Boris. Paul and Boris were released and their brothers-in-law were held as hostages and later shot to death.

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2008, 10:41:28 AM »
Hello David,

I hear Std is not a plesant way of bowing out of life. Could not have happened to a nicer guy though.
Also agree with many here, that the pesants were an unruly lot who in the end for all of their wanting out of being under the Tsar, met their end with the communists at the top. Strange how the pesants were told to kill without let up, but when their time came, they fought back just the elite of the society had.
Revolution and the after math is such bloody situation to be in, especially if one joined in and thinks they are going to win......in the end from this revolution until it's final demise, nobody really won....nobody at all

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2008, 02:55:19 AM »
Hello,

Reading sometime ago I came across the Russian Nobility Association. I would think that there were now no nobles left in Russia, unless very brave and lucky, and wondered who the Association was and it's aims. Many people descended today wold or may have use of their titles and perhaps this is to keep a record of who is who?

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Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2008, 05:25:58 PM »
Hello,

Reading sometime ago I came across the Russian Nobility Association. I would think that there were now no nobles left in Russia, unless very brave and lucky, and wondered who the Association was and it's aims. Many people descended today wold or may have use of their titles and perhaps this is to keep a record of who is who?

Michael HR

There is a RNA in the United States, also in France and several other countries. I'm sure that many nobles remained in Russia. Many were murdered by Stalin and other Bolsheviks, but some survived. (And I'm sure many were brave and lucky.) The RNA does keep records from the Imperial Senate, I believe, and they have a web site. You should Google them.