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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2006, 02:21:34 PM »
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Apparently it was because he preferred men.



Well, there were quite a few very big differences in their personalities as well. He was weak, she was strong (in her mind), he was not very intelligent, she was intelligent (but not very tactically gifted), he was brought up in a rather liberal home environment, she was brought up in a very strict, conservative atmosphere, etc.

But yes, it seems like he preferred men. However, he also had a child out of wedlock, so I suppose he was really playing both tunes.

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2006, 02:49:04 PM »
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it seems like he preferred men. However, he also had a child out of wedlock, so I suppose he was really playing both tunes.


Child out of wedlock? Never heard that. Could you please tell more about? :)

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2006, 03:09:56 PM »
Svetabel, I do not really know very much about it, and perhaps it is mainly gossip anyhow.  :-[ There was a man called Anders Lundebeck who claimed to be the illegitimate son of Gustaf V. He was an author, mostly on royal topics, and it is said that he had a striking resemblance to his alleged father. In any circumstances he was very well informed on court issues etc. Nothing has, as far as I know, ever been proved. A few years ago a biography on Gustaf V was published in Swedish, written by Stig Hadenius. I have not had the time to read it yet (it is waiting for me on one of my bookshelves :)), but glancing through it I have not found anything mentioned about this (which is not unexpected). I wish I had more facts to tell you, but this is all (and I know it is not much).  :-/ :)

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2006, 03:29:46 PM »
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Staffan Scott doesn't state such a thing , he just cite words of Maria's lady-in-waiting.



This is what Staffan Skott writes in "Alla dessa Bernadottar" ("All these Bernadottes"): "...i Siam för Marias del, beslöt det svenska hovet att den besvärliga ryskan skulle exporteras till Capri. Den besynnerlige doktor Munthe, som enligt hennes egna uppgifter förgrep sig sexuellt på henne, förklarade att hon hade svåra njurlidanden och därför måste tillbringa vintrarna i Södern." My translation (and forgive my bad English): "...in Siam on Maria's part, the Swedish court decided that the troublesome Russian would be exported to Capri. The peculiar doctor Munthe, who according to her own statements abused her sexually, declared that she had severe sufferings from her kidneys and therefore had to spend the winters in the south." I should point out that the boldification of certain words is mine.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2006, 02:32:29 AM »
Interestingly enough, that in "The Romanovs" Scott cites Maria's lady-in-waiting, and in other book refers to Maria herself  :-/ ???. Of course Munthe was not a nice and kind person, but possibly  Maria slandered on him expessly just to avoid a boring life on Capri? Or possibly he wooed Maria's attention (without abusing)?..who knows... :( Anyway sad story.

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2006, 04:01:13 PM »
Svetabel, I have that book too (Staffan Skott´s "The Romanovs", or as it is called in Swedish "Romanovs", the original book is in Swedish. Is your version in English or Russian? I am just asking out of curiousity, as I know his book has been translated into several languages). And you are perfectly right, in "The Romanovs" the information of Munthe's sexual abuse on Maria Palovna is said to be "från hennes närmaste uppvaktning" ("from her nearest ladies in waiting"). I do not really know what to make of this.  ???

It is possible that Maria Pavlovna slandered him to avoid a stay on Capri with her strict, boring mother in law. Anyway, like you say - it is a sad story. :(

By the way, a few years ago an extensive biography on Axel Munthe was published in Sweden, "En osalig ande", by Bengt Jangfeldt. I am unsure if it will be or already has been translated into other languages.

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Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2006, 08:04:25 PM »
One of her cousins--I think Nicholas K? wanted to marry her but because of the first cousins rules they couldn't. He never did marry.

Victoria's marriage wasn't very happy apparently. Gustav was reportedly homosexual, or perhaps bisexual. This exploded in the Haijby Affair. A former restauranter, Kurt Haijby, claimed to have Gustav's lover from 1912 and 1932. During Gustaf's life, Haijby was paid 170,000 Swedish kronor by the court of Sweden to maintain his silence. In 1938 Haijby was arrested for paedophilia and placed in an asylum at Beckomberga. Following this, the court offered him a deal, which he accepted, of a further 400 crowns a month if he left the country. However, he breached the agreement, returning to Sweden in 1940 and writing a book about his life with the king. The entire printing was bought by the court and destroyed. After Gustaf's death, papers detailing Haijby's complaint to the Attorney General of Sweden about his enforced detention in the asylum were smuggled out of the Attorney General's office by writer Wilhelm Moberg. As a consequence, the details of his story became public and the court was forced to charge Haijby for acts of blackmail. These incidents took place against a background of scandals known as the Kejne affair, which involved homosexuality amongst government officials. A contemporary biography of Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, while mentioning the Haijby affair, does not address the king's sexual orientation or the exact relationship between him and Hajiby. Haijby was sentenced to six years' hard labor. He committed suicide shortly after his release from prison.

Gustav & Victoria married in 1881. She was the granddaughter of Sofia of Sweden, and her marriage to Gustaf V united by a future real blood link the reigning Bernadotte dynasty with the former royal house of Holstein-Gottorp (Vasa). Gustaf himself was a descendant of the original House of Vasa through both his mother Sophia of Nassau and his grandmother Josephine of Leuchtenberg.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2006, 03:04:51 PM »
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A contemporary biography of Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, while mentioning the Haijby affair, does not address the king's sexual orientation or the exact relationship between him and Hajiby.




I have the book Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, but I have not read it yet. Anyway, it does not really surprise me that it does not say very much about Haijby, since the subject is still largely a no-no-subject in Sweden.

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2006, 08:10:47 AM »
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Svetabel, I have that book too (Staffan Skott´s "The Romanovs", or as it is called in Swedish "Romanovs", the original book is in Swedish. Is your version in English or Russian? I am just asking out of curiousity, as I know his book has been translated into several languages). And you are perfectly right, in "The Romanovs" the information of Munthe's sexual abuse on Maria Palovna is said to be "från hennes närmaste uppvaktning" ("from her nearest ladies in waiting"). I do not really know what to make of this.  ???

It is possible that Maria Pavlovna slandered him to avoid a stay on Capri with her strict, boring mother in law. Anyway, like you say - it is a sad story. :(

By the way, a few years ago an extensive biography on Axel Munthe was published in Sweden, "En osalig ande", by Bengt Jangfeldt. I am unsure if it will be or already has been translated into other languages.


I have Russian version of the book. As I know "The Romanovs" are not translated into English. :-/

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2006, 01:54:45 PM »
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I have Russian version of the book. As I know "The Romanovs" are not translated into English. :-/



Oh, my mistake.  :-[ I knew it had been translated into several languages, so I simply assumed that English was one of them.

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2006, 08:07:55 AM »
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Oh, my mistake.  :-[ I knew it had been translated into several languages, so I simply assumed that English was one of them.


Very strange that  there is no Englsih translation. The book is very interesting.

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2006, 12:41:17 PM »
I have read on other threads that Victoria was in love (or hoped to become engaged to) her cousin Grand Duke Nicholas Mikahilovich. Did they still remain close after this failed engagement? Did she make any effort to help him out of Russia during the revolution?

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2006, 10:18:45 AM »
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I have read on other threads that Victoria was in love (or hoped to become engaged to) her cousin Grand Duke Nicholas Mikahilovich. Did they still remain close after this failed engagement? Did she make any effort to help him out of Russia during the revolution?

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They did not remain close, but as cousins they could meet each other frequently (not sure they did so though) :). Unlikely that Viktoria made efforts to rescue Grand Duke Nikolay out of Russia.

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2006, 02:19:25 PM »
Just curious. Thank you. From what I've heard Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovich must have been busy being outspoken and spending time with his married mistress.

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Young mother Viktoria with her mother GDss Luise and firstborn son.