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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2006, 06:36:29 AM »
Yes, they called her Jules, and the queen Antoine ! I'm not sure it's more pleasant !  ;D

Chantal Thomas chose "Gabrielle". It depends from the sources, actually, her surnames are given in one or another order.

And what about "Martine" ? People often used their second name.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2006, 08:32:47 AM »
The queen was called madame Antoine when she was I think an Archduchess since she was called Antonia in the family. But when she got married she became Marie Antoinette, however she was called Antoinette! She signed Marie Antoinette but was called Antoinette!

  I read that also Marie Therese Charlotte was called Charlotte, and Louis Charles: "Charles"

 In the case of MA her contemporaries called her Antoinette! the people also called her like that.

  Even in the songs and Pamphlets:

"Quand Antoinette vit la tour
quand Antoinette vit la tour
elle voulut faire demi-tour
elle voulut faire demi-tour
elle avait mal au coeur
de se voir sans honneur"

 La Camargnole
(one of the French revolutionary songs).

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2006, 11:26:00 AM »
[This lively repartee of the Duchesse de Polignac is a droll imitation of a line in the “Mercure Galant.”  In the quarrel scene one of the lawyers says to his brother quill: ’Ton pere etait aveugle et jouait du hautbois.’]

so..Yolande had a brother?..i know that she had a sister, Louise, how was the mistress of the count d'Artois...i thought that the family was only Yolande and Louise...did they had more brothers??  :-/ :-/

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2006, 11:51:52 AM »
«The Great Fear

The storming of the Bastille greatly disturbed a number of nobles who knew the poverty of the common people and feared vengeance if royal power was inadequate to check mob impulses. Leading members of the royal court, including close friends of Marie Antoinette fled the country. These included in July and August the Count of Artois and MADAME POLIGNAC and in October her close friend and portraitist Vigee Lebrun.»

http://www.marie-antoinette.org/bioeng.php


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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2006, 03:55:16 PM »
Wasn't Louise de Polastron Madame de Polignac's sister in law ? I thought she was her brother's wife ?

Of course, Sissi, Madame Antoine was Marie-Antoinette's nickname in Vienna ! She must have lost it once in France. However, since it was a name she loved as a child, maybe, she could keep it in her most intime intimacy ? Why not, after all ?  8)
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2006, 04:10:08 PM »
Could be!  ;D she might have been fond of the name, and the good memories it brought to her!!! So yes it could be ;D

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2006, 01:45:34 PM »
in wikipedia they say: «...Yolande's beautiful younger sister, Louise, became the life-long mistress of Louis XVI's youngest brother, Charles, Comte d'Artois (later Charles X)...»

but one thing is strange..i've read too that Yolande run away from france in july, but in http://www.authorama.com/memoirs-of-marie-antoinette-b-1.html it's saying that Yolande was present when the people of paris went to versailles, and obligate marie antoinette to come to the balcony...and it was in october... ???...

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2006, 01:52:31 PM »
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I don't know if it's possible to see her room. She had one in Trianon too.

I think it was on July 16th that she left, because the mob burned a personnage representing her, and the queen really feared for her. Gabrielle cryed so much, kneeling before her friend, in tears. The whole family had to leave in the middle of the night.

Marie-Antoinette left a note for her, saying how she was sad to let her so tender friend go... but, she wrote, it was necessary.
It was July. The family were in the first wave of emigration.Marie Antoinette sent money for their travel expenses with the the farewell note.

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2006, 02:08:28 PM »
she proceeded well..if she stayed with the queen, i though that she would be one of the first revolution victims...

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2006, 02:13:47 PM »
and i understand that some people can think that she wouldn't run away, and leave marie antoinette..but, if you were Yolande, would you stay in versailles, knowing that you were hated by all the people?..
and i've read that louis xvi order to yolande to leave the country, for her own good...
i would make the same think...i would leave to the exile

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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2006, 02:14:56 PM »
That's was Marie-Antoinette believed, in any case... And I also think she was right. At least, she could save this one. Alas, for Madame de Lamballe, things were different !
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2006, 05:12:54 PM »
Yolande must had great propriety and money too..but, at this time, is it dificult to estimate her fortune?...there's so few resources about the duchesse..

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2006, 04:10:51 AM »
I really really don't know, dear Polignac. I know the whole family benefited from the queen's affection for Gabrielle. Two very greedy people seem to have been Diane de Polignac (Gabrielle's sister in law) and Vaudreuil (Gabrielle's husband's friend and, no doubt, Gabrielle's lover). This last one was a Creole. He sounds very handsome on pictures... doesn't he ?  :D



Count and Countess de Polignac had a property in the country (Braie, I think), but they were poor. Count received a lucrative charge at the court, even more while make duke, and more and more when Gabrielle became governess.  ???

On her trial, Marie-Antoinette justified it by answering these people (meaning her favorites) had charges they had to be paid for. We can add that the privilege of being the queen's friend was very expensive. You don't receive Marie-Antoinette de Lorraine d'Autriche in your messy living-room ! In order to keep her friend on her side, Marie-Antoinette had to elevate her so that Madame de Polignac could reach her majesty.  :-/

It's well know that Gabrielle didn't enjoy representations nor all this train. She surely would had rather playing with her royal friends and children in Trianon gardens the all day long ! But, that's it... her friend was a royal !  :o

Aglaé (Guichette) received a huge amount of money when she got married to Guiche. It caused a scandal in the court. While made duchess, Madame de Polignac would obtain the "duché de Bitch". But this definitely was too much ! The Polignacs didn't get this !  8)

Now, was she an intrigant, wasn't she ? Most of Marie-Antoinette's biographies say she was the queen's bad genius. Fraser, for instance, is more cautious and, no doubt, more intelligent ! It's always the same, some one must be guilty ! If not the queen, let's try some one else as scapegoat !  >:(

Being an admirer of Marie-Antoinette, I can't believe she once chose a treater for her best friend. If, for so many years (from 1775 till... ), Gabrielle was her most tender friend, she must deverse it, musn't she ? Marie-Antoinette can't be that foolish ! She had no doubt about her friend's loyalty. So, I believe my queen rather than copists !



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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2006, 07:06:51 AM »
« When Mme de Polignac died in Vienna in 1793, he (vaudreuil) shed many a crocodile tear»

i think that the comte vaudreuil was only taking advantage with yolande's affair..i don't know if he loved her, but i don't think so.
it is also said and believed by some people that yolande's second son, Armand Jules, 2nd duc de Polignac, was Vaudreuil son, and not from count or the 1st duc de Polignac, Jules, Yolande's husband..


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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2006, 01:46:44 PM »
Where did you read this sentence, dear Polignac ? That's very interesting !
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