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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2008, 05:37:20 PM »


In fact, the line still exists on the male line, although through an illegitimate line:

The Duke of Ansola, Luis de Borbón y Bernaldo de Quirós (1887-1942) had the following illegitimate offspring:

by Georgette Pages:

1. Louis Georges de Bourbon (1922), married Madeleine Priestnall (1926) in 1951. They have no issue.

by Marcelle Fernande Marthe Doyhamboure (1913-1994):

2. Philippe Serge de Bourbon (1935), married Anne Élisabeth Marie Garrouste (1940). They have issue:

    a. Marie Amélie de Bourbon (1970), married Cédric Marie Ghislain Rozier de Linage (1971) in 1995. I have no further details.
    b. Philippe Édouard de Bourbon (1973), married Caroline Sylvaine Albrech in 2002. I have no further details.


So the Bourbon surname hasn't disappeared yet in this side of the family...
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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2008, 01:44:58 PM »
Isabelle G has not remarried and has no issue. Her aunt the 4 Duchess of Durcal has 2 daughters by Prince de Beauvau-Craon ;1) Marie Isabelle m1 Duncan McLaren div 1983, m2 Javier Botana with whom she has Sebastian b1987(heir in line to the dukedom of Durcal) and Victoria . 2) Marie Diane m Ahmed Mohmadialal div 1995 and has issue Yumes.
The Duchess had a 3rd daughter by her ski instructor husband Ernest Schneider, 3) Maria Cristina m Patrick Picourt and has issue Alexis and Lorely..... so the title continues

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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2008, 04:55:32 AM »
Did king Carlos III give apanages or estates to his son Gabriel? I know that Gabriel was awarded Master of the Order of St.John in Castilla. Was this job his only way of income? I read that he lived in Escurial. Was this place given by his father?
 
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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2008, 12:55:12 PM »
Did king Carlos III give apanages or estates to his son Gabriel? I know that Gabriel was awarded Master of the Order of St.John in Castilla. Was this job his only way of income? I read that he lived in Escurial. Was this place given by his father?

Carlos III did not give apanages or estates strictly speaking to his son don Gabriel.
Don Gabriel was infante of Spain, principe of Naples and Sicily; he was named, by a Brief of Pope Clement XIII (1765), grand prior of the "Orden Hospitalaria de San Juan de Jerusalem" (Malta) in Castilla and Leon, source of very important incomes; he was also Knight of the Golden Fleece; Grand Cross of Carlos III; Knight of Orders of the King (France), because he was considered as a prince of the  Blood (of France), Knight of San Gennaro (Napoli).

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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2008, 04:56:13 AM »
Does someone know about Infante don Antonio, Carlos and Francisco?
which estates did they own ? Had they their own country houses like Infante don Gabriel at Escurial ?
I know that Antonio had no child with wife Amalia. Who was his heir?


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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2010, 01:20:41 AM »
From everything I have been able to find out about this Spanish Prince, which is not that much, he was the most intelligent and gifted son of Charles III of Spain. It is apparently a historical fact he was his father's favorite son.  He was the fourth son of Charles, and only one son away from being the King of Naples instead of Ferdinand IV ( 1751-1825 ) and two sons away from being the King of Spain instead of Charles IV. ( 1748-1819) His younger brother was apparently not too bright-- look at Goya's portraits of Antonio ( 1755-1817) and you will see what I mean. Why couldn't Gabriel have lived as long as these other three brothers? The Bourbon dynasty actually had the chance to have an intelligent and gifted individual to be King in either of these countries, but it did not happen. I find it somewhat unfortunate he had to wait until the age of 33 to be married when his two older brothers married at half this age. And, while I understand both the need for first in line heirs to the throne to perhaps marry earlier than younger brothers, and also the desire for Spain to have an alliance with Portugal, done partly through his marriage to the young Portuguese princess in 1785, ( unfortunately she was the product of yet anther one of those uncle niece marriages that turn my stomach when I find out about them ) it is unfortunate he was not able to marry earlier before he died in 1788, and possibly have more children who would inherit his intellect to survive him.

If he had become the King of Naples, he would have probably married Maria Carolina of Austria. I think from what I have read about these two princes, Maria Carolina would have been a lot happier with Gabriel than Ferdinand. Also, it is interesting to consider what an intelligent King of Naples would have done with all the challenges brought about because of the French revolution, Napoleon,etc. Or, if he had not become a king but just remained a younger Spanish prince, he still may have married one of the eligible princesses of Savoy or Saxony, or even Louis XVI's younger sister Elizabeth. While of course one would not have want Elizabeth to die of smallpox in the 1788 Spanish epidemic, perhaps she would not have- and look what happened to her anyway in France in 1794. And although Elizabeth and some of these other princesses may have been his first or second cousins through his mother, at least one of these alternate possibilities would have hopefully been somewhat better genetically than the Portuguese princess he did marry.

Gabriel was a music student of the Spanish master keyboard composer Antonio Soler the same as Ferdinand VI's' wife Barbara had been of Scarlatti. Soler had been a student of Scarlatti. You do not see Charles IV being able to do that do you?

After seeing Meng's portrait of Gabriel, it is possible, if Gabriel had lived past 1788, there could have been at least one more intelligent looking adult among the mostly unintelligent looking throng in Goya's famous painting of the family of Charles IV from 1800.

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Re: Infante Gabriel of Spain and his descendants
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2010, 12:04:26 PM »
Were the sons of Sebastian considered royal and Infants of Spain and Portugal ? or were they commoners ?