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Love matches in Victoria's family
« on: February 26, 2006, 07:49:45 AM »
Hello everyone! I was just wondering if maybe we could list the marriages of Victoria's children and grandchildren that were genuine love marriages and those that were somewhere in between.

Please correct me if I'm wrong!


Love Matches
*Vicky and Fritz.
*Henry of Prussia and Irene of Hesse.
*Sophie of Prussia and Tino of Greece.
*Mossy of Prussia and 'Fischy' of Hesse-Kassel.
*George V and Queen Mary.
*Louise of Wales and 'Macduff' of Fife.
*Maud of Wales and Carl of Denmark.
*Victoria of Hesse and Louis of Battenberg.
*Ella of Hesse and Serge of Russia.
*Alix of Hesse and Nicky of Russia.
*Ducky of Edinburgh and Kyrill of Russia.
*Helena and Christian.
*Arthur and Luise Margarete.
*Daisy of Connaught and Gustaf of Sweden.
*Arthur of Connaught and Alexandra of Fife.
*Patsy of Connaught and Alexander Ramsay.
*Leopold and Helen.
*Alice of Albany and Alexander of Teck.
*Beatrice and Henry.

Possibly in love, or in love at one time?
*Wilhelm II and Dona.
*Viktoria of Prussia and Adolf of Schaumberg Lippe.
*Charlotte of Prussia and Bernhard of Saxe-Meiningen.
*Edward VII and Alexandra.
*Alice and Louis.
*Ernie of Hesse and Ducky of Edinburgh.
*Ernie of Hesse and Eleonore of Solms
*Affie and Marie.
*Missy of Edinburgh and Nando of Romania.
*Sandra of Edinburgh and Ernst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg.
*Bea of Edinburgh and Alfonso of Galliera.
*Marie Louise of Schleswig-Holstein and Aribert of Anhalt.
*Louise and Lorne.
*Charles Edward of Saxe Coburg and Viktoria of Schleswig-Holstein.
*Drino Mountbatten and Irene Denison.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2006, 08:30:05 AM »
I always thought that Alice and Louis were a love match :-/
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2006, 08:50:32 AM »
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I always thought that Alice and Louis were a love match :-/



I think PL means that they weren't happy together ultimately (not in their heads).

For not in love (not ever, not really) I would say:

Ernie and Ducky
Moretta and Adolf
Missy and Nando
Marie Louise and Aribert
and (sorry!) Serge and Ella
I've my suspicions about Maud and Carl as well! I just don't get a "togetherness" feeling about them.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2006, 09:04:11 AM »
Thanks for the comments guys. I think Alice and Louis were in love at first, but afterward their marriage became more routine. They were fond of each other, and they supported each other, but they weren't in love anymore. I think Maud and Carl were the same, except I think they grew to love each other, especially while King and Queen of Norway.

Why don't you think Serge and Ella weren't in love Bell? I'm not expert on them so I'd love to here your views!  :D
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2006, 09:21:58 AM »
It depends on what you mean by love match. To me, it is being in love when married, and for royals not marrying for dynastic (if that's a word) purposes.  I don't think that applies to George V and Queen Mary.  I think that love came in time, but not at first.

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2006, 09:42:22 AM »
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Thanks for the comments guys. I think Alice and Louis were in love at first, but afterward their marriage became more routine. They were fond of each other, and they supported each other, but they weren't in love anymore. I think Maud and Carl were the same, except I think they grew to love each other, especially while King and Queen of Norway.

Why don't you think Serge and Ella weren't in love Bell? I'm not expert on them so I'd love to here your views!  :D


There have been threads and threads on this (which I've only read!). My feeling is that there was too much missing in the relationship for it to have been said that they were "in love". I think they grew to understand each other better than many couples who are in love, however!
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2006, 09:42:49 AM »
Missy and Nando's marriage was arranged from the start.  The only person who did not know it was Missy!!!

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2006, 10:05:58 AM »
Was Liko & Beatrice's a love match ? Most probably on Beatrice's side but as far as Liko is concerned I have never been sure.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2006, 10:51:33 AM »
Definite love matches:

Vicky & Fritz (one of my all-time favorite couples)

Alice & Louis (maybe slowed down with time but they were in love when they married)

Arthur & Louise

Leopold & Helen

Sophie & Tino

Mossy & Fischy

George & Mary (arranged for sure but he said he'd never marry without love; the love definitely deepened over time though, was a little shallower at the time but the letters indicate they were in love)

Henry & Irene

Louise & Fife

Victoria & Louis

Ernie & Onor

Ducky & Kyril (even if it ended badly)

Bee & Ali

Alice & Alge

Ena & Alfonso (at least at first)

Daisy & Gustav

Patsy & Alexander

Arthur & Alexandra


One-sided love:

Bertie & Alix (she definitely loved him till the end; his was more of a genuine affection)

Marie & Affie (she seemed to love him when they married)

Bernard & Charlotte (the feelings were definitely on his side; she just wanted out of the house)

Willy & Dona

Adolph & Moretta


Up in the Air:

Beatrice & Henry

Maud & Haakon

Serge & Ella

Sandra & Ernst

Marie Louise & Aribert (she seemed to care about him at least, the it soured quickly)

Not really:

Ernie & Ducky

Missy & Nando (his feeling were more engaged but not long before he'd been in love with Queen Elisabeth's lady-in-waiting)

Don't know much at all:

Drino & Irene
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 10:52:02 AM »
Were Willy and Dona in love?  Packard gives the impression that the marriage was quite arranged and came about only after Willy was turned down by just about every other suitable princess.   Please enlighten.  Is it true that Vicky was her champion at first?
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2006, 10:53:16 AM »
Thanks for the summing up GDella!  :D
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 10:53:17 AM »
Vicky was definitely her champion--you can read about it on other threads in the Hohenzollerns
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2006, 01:56:52 AM »
Another great thread, Lievey!

Just a tiny point though - I don't think Helena and Christian were a love match at all but I do think as time went on, they became very comfortable with each other and had a long and happy marriage.

If we remember, quite a few family members were vehemently against this match, thinking QV had somehow 'sacrificed' her daughter's happiness for political gain.

It's interesting to note that there have been a few 'mismatches' in royal wedlock which have caused considerable disapproval that in the long run actually worked out very happily and very well!  :D

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2006, 03:58:56 AM »
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Just a tiny point though - I don't think Helena and Christian were a love match at all but I do think as time went on, they became very comfortable with each other and had a long and happy marriage.
 
If we remember, quite a few family members were vehemently against this match, thinking QV had somehow 'sacrificed' her daughter's happiness for political gain.


I have no quarrel with the argument as such, but just would like to say the marriage had no political gain whatsoever, in fact it was rather politically inept as Christian came from a family involved in the Schleswig Holstein question and consequently it annoyed the Danes.  It was arranged purely for QV's domestic convenience - she wanted a younger son who would receive her patronage gratefully and keep Helena in England at her beck and call, and it was for that reason people resented it on Helena's behalf (though there is no sign Helena resented it herself).  The only truly political marriage was Vicky's, although she and Fritz obligingly fell in love with one another.

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2006, 07:12:57 AM »
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Another great thread, Lievey!

Just a tiny point though - I don't think Helena and Christian were a love match at all but I do think as time went on, they became very comfortable with each other and had a long and happy marriage.

If we remember, quite a few family members were vehemently against this match, thinking QV had somehow 'sacrificed' her daughter's happiness for political gain.

It's interesting to note that there have been a few 'mismatches' in royal wedlock which have caused considerable disapproval that in the long run actually worked out very happily and very well!  :D



Thanks Grace! I agree up to a point, but I think by the time Christian died in 1917 they were in love. Helena wrote something like 'There never was a truer Englishman than our dear Prince' or something.
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