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Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« on: February 27, 2006, 10:15:17 AM »
I was once told a story about 35 years ago by a woman who was then in her 60's. She said she believed that she was the great grandaughter of Prince Alfred Duke of Edinburgh( QV 's second son). She told me that apparently Affie ran away and married a woman and had a child before he was made to marry Marie Alexandrovna of Russia.
The grandfather of my friend, when he was a child was made to go to Hyde Park on occasions with his mother to watch the ‘carriages go by’.  Maybe someone was wanting to see the child. Also , as a single mother and child someone was paying their living quarters somewhere in London. They never wanted for anything. When my friend’s family tried to find information on the marriage many,many years ago, certain pages had been removed from the Register.  The marriage appeared to annulled.  Does anyone know anything about this episode. Sounds far-fetched but intriguing never the less.  The funny thing was this lady looked a bit like QV!

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 11:07:27 AM »
Since we're talking about Affie here, I was reading about him the other day regarding the assassination attempt on his life when he was apparently shot in the back.  No explanation was given for the attack.  Does anyone know why?  Also, was Affie as wild or careless regarding women as Bertie was before he finally married?

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 11:23:56 AM »
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apparently Affie ran away and married a woman


He should have stayed away!  Muhha ha ha ha!  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 11:27:32 AM »
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Since we're talking about Affie here, I was reading about him the other day regarding the assassination attempt on his life when he was apparently shot in the back.  No explanation was given for the attack.  Does anyone know why?


A Fenian named James O'Farrell shot Affie in the back. Thankfully his leather braces (or suspenders for you Americans) deflected the bullet from hiting his spine, but it nonetheless became lodged in his abdomen.  :-/ The bullet was removed two days later and he made a surprisingly quick and easy recovery.


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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2006, 02:20:56 PM »
Nada, there was a rumour about Young Affie (Alfred and Marie's only son) that claimed he married illicitly and had a child. Marlene Koenig says there is no truth to this story at all.

You are not thinking of this?  :)

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2006, 04:56:34 PM »
There were also the rumors about Alfred's nephew (and fellow sailor) George V that could add to confusion.

Alfred's was very lucky to have survived his attack--one wonders what would've happened if the Queen of England's son had been assassinated by Fenians? Not good I'm sure.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2006, 05:15:43 PM »
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He should have stayed away!  Muhha ha ha ha!  ;D

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2006, 03:29:52 AM »
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Nada, there was a rumour about Young Affie (Alfred and Marie's only son) that claimed he married illicitly and had a child. Marlene Koenig says there is no truth to this story at all.

You are not thinking of this?  :)

Well it could have been that but according to this old friend of mine ( she is now dead) the family were very sure that 'he' (which one I don't know) had married illicitly to a commoner had a child a boy and all details of the marriage had been erased.  She also told me that the woman (the mother) carried a black box around with her all her life and when she went to hospital to die the black box disappeared!  All a bit far fetched but I have to say I was intrigued when I heard the story all those years ago.

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2006, 03:31:34 AM »
By the way who is Marlene Koenig- I am a newbie here!

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2006, 03:49:40 AM »
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By the way who is Marlene Koenig- I am a newbie here!


Marlene Koenig is an art form, a way of life!!  ;D (Sorry, I put a bit too much sugar on my cheerios this morning!) No---Marlene is the author of an excellent book called Queen Victoria's Descendants (required reading, it's official) and she is also a forum member.  :)

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2006, 02:10:05 PM »
I decided that the other thread was too long.  Anyways, a picture of Affie Jr.'s fiancee:
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Twins with their mother, grandmother and the spouse of...Olga/Elsa???

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 03:19:39 PM »
She wasn´t really his financée. The mothers were cousins and good friends and wanted to marry off their children. But the Württembergs were chocked when they heared about Affie´s lifestyle... :-/

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2006, 04:00:59 PM »
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Young Affie's engagement was published in the Court Circular - which is about as official as you can get.

 
 If they were officially engaged, wouldn't that mean Elsa was Alfred's fiancee?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2006, 04:03:44 PM »
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  If they were officially engaged, wouldn't that mean Elsa was Alfred's fiancee?


Ops! I have actually never heared of this, but when Marlene says that, it must be right! ;D
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2006, 04:17:55 PM »
  Well, I had to go back on the Affie Jr. thread to make sure.  I wonder what exactly they found out about?  It was pretty common for young princes to sleep around before they married (and, unfortunately, after they married).  I guess the Würrtembergs found out he had contracted syphilis.  I wonder what Affie and Elsa thought of each other?
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