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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2006, 05:23:52 AM »
Someone made a comment about Affie's "lifestyle."  Can you elaborate?    How good, how bad?

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2006, 04:34:48 PM »
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Someone made a comment about Affie's "lifestyle."  Can you elaborate?    How good, how bad?


I'm a bit confused here about which Affie we are talking about?

Young Affie had a sad life.  After a fairly love-starved childhood, he became involved with prostitutes, "all night sex orgies" and the like at a very young age.  It is said that he contracted syphilis and this contributed to his early death, though there is much argument here.

The other Affie (1844-1900) did have a documented dalliance whilst in the Navy before his marriage but I have not heard anything about other women after it but, as this marriage was never a particularly happy one, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he had sought love outside of it that we don't know about.  ???

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2006, 10:15:21 AM »
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I believe the discussion began with Prince Alfred, Sr.  

Queen Victoria wrote to Vicky about his deplorable behavior soon after Albert's death, in a manner which indicates he had affairs.  It's altogether possible (in my view) that he secretly married and fathered a child.  He wasn't watched as closely as Bertie because he was the second son, and he was usually out of the country.
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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2006, 02:37:30 PM »
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I believe the discussion began with Prince Alfred, Sr.  

Queen Victoria wrote to Vicky about his deplorable behavior soon after Albert's death, in a manner which indicates he had affairs.  It's altogether possible (in my view) that he secretly married and fathered a child.  He wasn't watched as closely as Bertie because he was the second son, and he was usually out of the country.


Well, I have never heard of this rumour.  I think an affair or two is one thing but I can't imagine one of QV's children being able to marry and have a child without it filtering back to her, even when she was in the early stages of grief over losing Albert.

If he was under 25 at the time, she could have had it annulled also.

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2006, 02:42:12 PM »

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2006, 03:03:36 PM »
Affie was only 16 when his father died.  

It would been impossible for the 16 year old to have a secret marriage.

The rumors (well, not rumors, but a fabricated story) center around Affie's son, young Affie, who was rumored to have married and fathered a daughter - the story is entirely bogus

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I believe the discussion began with Prince Alfred, Sr.  

Queen Victoria wrote to Vicky about his deplorable behavior soon after Albert's death, in a manner which indicates he had affairs.  It's altogether possible (in my view) that he secretly married and fathered a child.  He wasn't watched as closely as Bertie because he was the second son, and he was usually out of the country.

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2006, 03:06:56 PM »
As members of the Royal family are bound by the Royal Marriages act, Prince Affie could not have gotten married without permission.  Of course, there were marriages in contravention of the Royal marriage act (such as the Duke of  Cambridge, where the the wife and children did not share the Duke's royal rank or name)  It would have been unlikely for Affie to have contracted such a marriage without garnering press attention - he would not have been able to go before a minister in an English church without anyone finding out ... now, he may have fathered illegitimate children because he did have mistresses, but he he never acknowledged them.
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I was once told a story about 35 years ago by a woman who was then in her 60's. She said she believed that she was the great grandaughter of Prince Alfred Duke of Edinburgh( QV 's second son). She told me that apparently Affie ran away and married a woman and had a child before he was made to marry Marie Alexandrovna of Russia.
The grandfather of my friend, when he was a child was made to go to Hyde Park on occasions with his mother to watch the ‘carriages go by’.  Maybe someone was wanting to see the child. Also , as a single mother and child someone was paying their living quarters somewhere in London. They never wanted for anything. When my friend’s family tried to find information on the marriage many,many years ago, certain pages had been removed from the Register.  The marriage appeared to annulled.  Does anyone know anything about this episode. Sounds far-fetched but intriguing never the less.  The funny thing was this lady looked a bit like QV!

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2006, 03:09:15 PM »
now this made my day  

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2006, 05:31:19 PM »
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She wasn´t really his financée. The mothers were cousins and good friends and wanted to marry off their children. But the Württembergs were chocked when they heared about Affie´s lifestyle... :-/



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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2006, 07:21:03 PM »
I would be interested to know what Elsa felt when she heard of Affie's death.  :'(

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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2006, 08:12:06 PM »
Marlene,

It was long overdue!!!!


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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2006, 03:43:58 AM »
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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2006, 09:16:49 PM »
Here are some that show the resemblance--I tried to pick ones where Missy's facial position is similar to Alfred's.





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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2006, 03:32:12 AM »
indeed he does...  :)
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Re: Duke Alfred of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and his family, Part II
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2006, 03:38:46 AM »
Missy of Edinburgh was the most beautiful princess ever   ::) the second pic is eloquent!:)engagement time isn't it?:)
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