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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #150 on: March 14, 2006, 07:45:59 PM »
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I have also see chickens as coquelicot did. But once I saw one to pass over an obstacle flying (as far as these animals can fly). It's absolutely true, I swear.


Speaking of headless chickens, there is this weird tale of Mike the Headless Chicken. Mike the Chicken was beheaded in order to become dinner, but proceded to live for another 18 months, seemingly not even realizing that his head was gone, which was demonstrated by random pecking with the nonexisting beak. Mike had even developed a big following apparently, and became somewhat of a cult figure... You can read his story on this website (you can also google him). It is evidently a true story!  http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.html


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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #151 on: March 14, 2006, 08:59:00 PM »
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Speaking of headless chickens, there is this weird tale of Mike the Headless Chicken. Mike the Chicken was beheaded in order to become dinner, but proceded to live for another 18 months, seemingly not even realizing that his head was gone, which was demonstrated by random pecking with the nonexisting beak. Mike had even developed a big following apparently, and became somewhat of a cult figure... You can read his story on this website (you can also google him). It is evidently a true story! á


Frankly, it sounds too wierd to be real. I mean, people claim to have seen Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster, but it's clearly all for publicity. I would say that that story pretty much falls into that catagory. Spontaneous movement after death is probably either just spasms from the nervous system shutting down or from separation from the impulses that nerves need to function.
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #152 on: March 15, 2006, 03:48:55 AM »
 áThe germans had their own guillotine too, The nazis used it on the communist dutchman who supposedly burnt down the Reichstag in 1933 and the White Rose resistance group - áSophie Scholle and her uni friends in 1944.
áDid France abolish the death penalty in 1971 á???
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #153 on: March 15, 2006, 05:27:23 AM »
I have read that the Nazi government guillotined more people during the time of the Third Reich than the French did during the French Revolution.  The guillotine was the preferred choice inside the Nazi prisons.  It was set up in one of the prison rooms.  It was not as tall as the French version, but had a heavier weight on the blade to compensate for the loss in height.

The French abolished the death penalty in 1977.

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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #154 on: March 15, 2006, 09:08:14 AM »
Wow!!! The things you learn, I had never heard that the Nazis used guillotine!!! ::) :o

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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #155 on: March 18, 2006, 09:17:09 AM »
I know MA was very ill at the time of her trial, possibily ovarian cancer?

In a book I flicked through today it went as far as to say that by the time of her trial MA was dying! any thoughts on this?

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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #156 on: March 18, 2006, 10:00:09 AM »
Well, if she was ill, all the stress would've only made it worse.
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #157 on: March 18, 2006, 07:05:23 PM »
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I know MA was very ill at the time of her trial, possibily ovarian cancer?

In a book I flicked through today it went as far as to say that by the time of her trial MA was dying! any thoughts on this?

Thank you.


I don't know about dying, but Fraser indicates that during her imprisonment the frequency of her haemorrahages increased. She offers three explanations for this: the early onset of menopause, fibroids, and "cancer of the womb." Being confined to a tiny, airless cells for several weeks I'm sure did not help her condition.
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #158 on: March 19, 2006, 12:36:15 AM »
ovarian cancer ? I thought it was an uterus cancer ?
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #159 on: March 19, 2006, 04:20:01 AM »
Well, its something gynaecological and probably lethal
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #160 on: March 19, 2006, 06:24:54 AM »
If it was something to do with menopause, it would be very early indeed! Marie-Antoinette didn't live to see 40!
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #161 on: March 19, 2006, 06:33:03 AM »
It's possible, anyhow. Women can have menopause very early. Furthermore, she had always have gynecological problems, a difficult first childbirthing and several miscarriages. She had a certain fragility. All the shoks and horrible events she went through may provoke different illnesses or menopause.

A new book very well documented will soon be released. Hopefully we'll learn more about it !
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #162 on: March 19, 2006, 08:39:56 AM »
Coquelicot, please give us the details about this book, the author, the release date etc. etc.

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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #163 on: March 19, 2006, 10:01:54 AM »
Part one is already available on the net (alapage). It's in french, by BELAICHE DANINOS PAU - Les 76 derniers jours de Marie-Antoinette Ó la conciergerie - Actes Sud.
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Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« Reply #164 on: May 29, 2006, 11:58:33 PM »
I have read a remarkable document in the Archives Nationales in Paris that when a particular French princess was guillotined, the executioner untied the body from the plank, and the body promptly jumped up, reached into the basket, picked up the severed head and threw it at the executioner.  It then proceeded to jump up and down before finally collapsing into a heap about a minute later.  The head was laughing the entire time, before finally fading into unconsciousness.  I cannot reveal the identity of the princess, because the document  was a "restricted" item for research purposes only.