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I wanted to know how were the relations between the Romanovs and Countess Elena Stroganoff-Sheremetieff the daughter of Maria Nikolaivena. Did the Romanovs consider her as a cousin? Was she accepted by the imperial family?

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2006, 06:18:57 PM »
I would also like to know more about that...anyone?

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2006, 06:15:41 AM »
Countess Elena Stroganoff-Sheremetieff was not a part of imperial family.
Nothing more.:)
Romanovs accepted enyone, include peasant.

Only who has a big part in court from such people was count Sumarokov- Elston, Prince Jussupov , because they were a illegitimate branch of Hohenzollern.


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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2006, 03:10:55 PM »
This whole "equal marriage" thing of the Romanovs really makes me mad. Stroganovs were far more ancient and owned millions of sq miles of lands when Romanovs were simply "upstart boyars". They came to throne just by accident of history and not by any divine right.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2006, 03:43:25 PM »
 ;D
You think?

Romanovs were very close to czars.
Ivan IV wife was Romanov,
Feodor I mother was Romanov,
and
father of Michail Romanov was head of  Russian church.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2006, 09:17:31 AM »
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I wanted to know how were the relations between the Romanovs and Countess Elena Stroganoff-Sheremetieff the daughter of Maria Nikolaivena. Did the Romanovs consider her as a cousin? Was she accepted by the imperial family?


As I read Elena Stroganova was quite a quarrelsome lady, arrogant and always deep in debts. She was very proud of her Romanov's roots. But the Romanovs themselves did not accept her as a member of their clan.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2006, 12:59:29 PM »
Her frustration was quiet understandable. She was a "somebody" yet a "nobody". She was born a Stroganov but not the "rich" Stroganovs only from well off branch . She was married to a Sheremetev but not from "rich" and "titled" Sheremetevs but their poor untitled cousins. She was granddaughter of a Tsar but nobody accepted this.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2006, 08:39:33 AM »
As I've recently read in the journals of A.Polovtsov, Elena and her husband Sheremetev were spongers at the court of Princess Eugenie of Oldenbourg (nee Leuchtenberg), half-sister of Elena...

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2006, 05:41:14 PM »
Does anyone know of any good books? My knowledge of the Stoganoffs is limited and I'd love to learn more. Thankyou in advance to anyone who could help. It is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2006, 03:48:20 PM »
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Does anyone know of any good books? My knowledge of the Stoganoffs is limited and I'd love to learn more. Thankyou in advance to anyone who could help. It is greatly appreciated.

Jay - Start here: http://www.stroganoff.org/

There are ton's of things on the net on them and there a table top like book (but with a fair amount of explanatory text) that you can purchase from the web site, amazon or a dozen other places.

Good luck - I agree they are an interesting family.  I'm doing some work on their genealogy right now.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2006, 07:03:43 PM »
 :) Thankyou so much!! I just checked out the site again. It's a great start. My town library also has a book or two on them as well. Thanks again for the help.

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2006, 01:56:29 AM »
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I wanted to know how were the relations between the Romanovs and Countess Elena Stroganoff-Sheremetieff the daughter of Maria Nikolaivena. Did the Romanovs consider her as a cousin? Was she accepted by the imperial family?

As I read Elena Stroganova was quite a quarrelsome lady, arrogant and always deep in debts. She was very proud of her Romanov's roots. But the Romanovs themselves did not accept her as a member of their clan.


It has been several years since I read the memoirs of Prince Christopher of Greece, however, I'm certain he recalled meeting her on at least one occasion, I believe while at Pavlovsk with his mother, Queen Olga, and seemed to think Elena was very kind and attractive, and referred to her as "Cousin Helen." Perhaps, she was kind to him because he was a Romanov cousin (via his mother) and she needed their financial assistance?

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2009, 02:37:46 AM »
I wanted to know how were the relations between the Romanovs and Countess Elena Stroganoff-Sheremetieff the daughter of Maria Nikolaivena.

Actually Elena was not Countess by her husband as Vladimir Sheremetev had not a title of Count, he was from the poor branch of the Sheremetevs.


It has been several years since I read the memoirs of Prince Christopher of Greece, however, I'm certain he recalled meeting her on at least one occasion, I believe while at Pavlovsk with his mother, Queen Olga, and seemed to think Elena was very kind and attractive, and referred to her as "Cousin Helen." Perhaps, she was kind to him because he was a Romanov cousin (via his mother) and she needed their financial assistance?

I've came across some mentions of Elena in the Romanovs journals and I can't say they told about anything really harsh. She indeed was always in debts and lived on mercy of her half-sister Duchess Evgenia of Oldenbourg but anyway Elena was a cousin for the Romanovs.

By the way, Elena was a first platonic crush of famous GD Konstanin K. aka KR in the end of the 1870s !!...In the 1910s his eldest son Ioann even made visits to her tomb (she died in 1908) and called her "Aunt Elena Milashevitch" (she married secondly a Milashevitch in 1896).

I've been searching for her pictures for some time but still nothing. ((

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2009, 07:09:56 AM »
It would be really interesting to see her...I wonder was she "grand" even in debt...something like Mary Adelaide von Teck?

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Re: Elena Stroganova-Sheremeteva, daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 01:15:08 AM »
It would be really interesting to see her...I wonder was she "grand" even in debt...something like Mary Adelaide von Teck?

I don't imagine her in style like Mary Adelaide who liked to be in the centre of the attention. Seemed Elena just wanted to live properly as a Romanov relative, also  Elena was not so popular in society as Duchess of Teck. The courtiers considered Elena  a false ambitious batterfly as she was always maintaining her status between her Romanov relatives.