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Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« on: March 10, 2006, 07:45:30 AM »
I know very little about the basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo, and was hoping people could help me…

The geographical size of T.S?

How many private residences, public buildings, Palaces and other infrastructure was present by 1918?

Etc etc

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 11:22:30 AM »
Currently, the Town of Pushkin population is approximately 109,000 residents. One of the largest employers in Pushkin is the Tsarskoe Selo Museum - Reserve, the Catherine Palace and Park – a major contributor to Pushkin’s economy via tourism.  

Here is a link to the Town of Pushkin Chamber of Commerce webpage for additional info:

http://www.pushkin-town.net/.tpp/eng/


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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 01:19:14 PM »
In 1910, the Tsarskoe Selo population numbered 30,881, distributed as follows:

By social classes:
Nobility 2,897
Clergy 315
Honorary citizens 891
Merchants 237
Petty Bourgeoisie 2,877
Peasants 14,758
German colonists (Russian subjects) 39
Military 6,790
Retired military & their families 1,655
Foreigners 222
Other 200

By religion:
Russian Orthodox 27,284
Catholics 2,261
Armenians 52
Old-Believers 110
Lutherans 899
Jews 236
Muslims 89

By sex:
Male 18,444
Female 12,437

During the summer season, the population increased by 7,000 vacationers and season workers.

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Source: http://kfinkelshteyn.narod.ru/Tzarskoye_Selo/Statistika1.htm

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 10:47:00 PM »
Wow thanks for the facts. Very interesting. :D
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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 04:13:19 PM »
In 1910, the Tsarskoe Selo population numbered 30,881, distributed as follows:

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Source: http://kfinkelshteyn.narod.ru/Tzarskoye_Selo/Statistika1.htm


Source would be S. Viltchkovsky "Tsarskoe Selo" page 273
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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2009, 06:28:46 AM »
In 1910, the Tsarskoe Selo population numbered 30,881, distributed as follows:
[...]
By religion:
Russian Orthodox 27,284
Catholics 2,261
Armenians 52
Old-Believers 110
Lutherans 899
Jews 236
Muslims 89
[...]
Source: http://kfinkelshteyn.narod.ru/Tzarskoye_Selo/Statistika1.htm
Does anybody have any idea about how many of those Lutherans were Ingrian Finns? I read on Wikipedia that in Imperial times quite a lot of Lutheran Ingrian Finns, who were settled there by the Swedes in the 17th century, lived in Ingria / the St. Petersburg Governate. In 1928 there were for example ca. 12.000 people in the Lutheran parish of Venjoki, which Tsarskoe Selo was located in, according to the Finnish Wikipedia. There were also indigenous Izhorians and Votes, who spoke Finnic languages in Ingria, but they were Orthodox. Anybody who knows how many of the Orthodox inhabitans who were Finnic-speaking?

And did the Imperial Family ever come into contact with these Finnish and Finnic inhabitans? Did they ever remark upon their "neighbours" in the Tsarskoe Selo-Gatchina-Peterhof area speaking Finnish, Izhorian or Votic?

Map of the Finnish Lutheran parishes in Ingria, from Wikipedia:


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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 07:26:55 PM »
In 1910, the Tsarskoe Selo population numbered 30,881, distributed as follows:
[...]
By religion:
Russian Orthodox 27,284
Catholics 2,261
Armenians 52
Old-Believers 110
Lutherans 899
Jews 236
Muslims 89
[...]
Source: http://kfinkelshteyn.narod.ru/Tzarskoye_Selo/Statistika1.htm
Does anybody have any idea about how many of those Lutherans were Ingrian Finns? I read on Wikipedia that in Imperial times quite a lot of Lutheran Ingrian Finns, who were settled there by the Swedes in the 17th century, lived in Ingria / the St. Petersburg Governate. In 1928 there were for example ca. 12.000 people in the Lutheran parish of Venjoki, which Tsarskoe Selo was located in, according to the Finnish Wikipedia. There were also indigenous Izhorians and Votes, who spoke Finnic languages in Ingria, but they were Orthodox. Anybody who knows how many of the Orthodox inhabitans who were Finnic-speaking?

And did the Imperial Family ever come into contact with these Finnish and Finnic inhabitans? Did they ever remark upon their "neighbours" in the Tsarskoe Selo-Gatchina-Peterhof area speaking Finnish, Izhorian or Votic?

Map of the Finnish Lutheran parishes in Ingria, from Wikipedia:


Any input, anybody?

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 12:09:22 PM »
Naslednik, I doubt whether the Tsars spoke Finnish but they were in contact with Lutheran Finns. There is the painting of the Church Parade of the Life-Guard Finland Regiment in Tsarskoe Selo Manage in 1906. Mannerheim had been stationed in Tsarskoe Selo also. It would be difficult to differentiate the various origins of the Lutherans for example Erich von Pistolkors who lived just outside the gates of the Alexander Palace on Malaya was Lutheran but of Swedish descent.

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 11:49:06 AM »
There is of course the Lutheran Church on Naberegnaya (Quay) street - I wonder if they have retained any records and may have historical information about their Finnish parishioners.

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 03:47:54 AM »
Yes, unfortunately most of the little information available is limited to those Lutherans who were Finland-Swedish and/or Baltic-German and thus members of the upper-classes (e.g. Mannerheim and Erik von Pistohlkors) or the middle-class urban Finnish Lutherans in St. Petersburg (e.g. the famous poet Edith Södergran!), but I was particularly wondering about the rural Finnic population, either Lutheran or Orthodox.

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 03:21:31 PM »
Does anyone have any information on the foreigners who lived here or on whether there were restrictions on who could live there.

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 03:14:00 AM »
Naslednik, I doubt whether the Tsars spoke Finnish but they were in contact with Lutheran Finns. There is the painting of the Church Parade of the Life-Guard Finland Regiment in Tsarskoe Selo Manage in 1906.
Aside of its name, the Life-Guard Finlyandsky Regiment had no relation to either Finland or Finns. Its ethnic composition wasn't different from other Guards infantry units - i.e. predominantly Russian. The regiment's church and chaplains were Russian Orthodox, not Lutheran.

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 11:47:31 AM »
Does anyone know if it is possible to rent an apartment for the summer in Tsarskoe Selo? If so how much would it cost?

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Re: Basic facts of Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 05:15:42 PM »
I know it is possible; Helen Azar did it [reant an apartment for the summer] when she was interning at the palace libraries. No idea what she paid, though.
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