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Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« on: March 19, 2006, 09:34:42 PM »
The current Imperial Prince Charles Napoleon will be running for a political position in 2007. This is his website for the canpaign: http://cscorse.ifrance.com/

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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2006, 09:37:39 PM »
House Bonaparte 1799-2004 family tree in PDF: http://www.homar.org/genealog/pagina.asp?pag=frc20

The Prince Napoleon, leader of the Imperial claimants was married to Beatrice, a Bourbon Two Sicilies Princess. That makes their son Jean both Bonaparte and Bourbon. They had two kids but divorced. He remarried and has one daugther and one adopted daughter with his new wife Jeanne Francoise Valliccioni.
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2006, 07:42:58 AM »
Hello, My name is Britta and I am also very interested in the Bonaparte family and the descendants. Unfortunately there are not so many people with this interest, especially not in Germany.
I also like Charles Napoleon a lot, and know a lot of him by the time. I had also  a very short contact to him and wanted to interview him, but it got lost , he did not answer me any more :'(

I think it is quite a pity that there are hardy photos of his family. I never saw good picture of Jean Christophe, his son, who must be almost twenty by the time, and of his youngest daughter Sophie there are no pictures at all.
It is a pity, because other royals like those in England ( I am not  a fan of them, sorry for saying that) are always in the newspapers.
Do you have any indeas where to find pictures of Charles family? Especially his son Jean?
I really have a lot of symphathy for the person Charles, his ancestry, his interesting career, his appearance...everything, he loooks very elegant because of his tall size. Also his father Louis was very tall, I saw him in old versions of "point de Vue" from the 70´s and 80´s and he always had to look down for other people ;)

Do you have any idea, how to find pictures of his family?

I am writing at an article about Marie Bonaparte, greatgranddaughter of Lucien Bonaparte and had a phone conversation with her grandson in Italy. Unfortunately he is very busy, but a very kind person.

  If you have information on Bonaparte- pictures I would be thankful for a reply.

Thanks,

Britta
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2006, 10:02:23 AM »
Hello, Britta!

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/bonaparte/bonaparte.htm

 - there you will find some photos of Bonaparte family, included Napoleon´s parents, but there is not a picture of Charles Napoleon and his children.

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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2006, 11:52:47 AM »
Hello,

thanks for the link, I already know this site, it is very good and I like it a lot. ;)

I am a crazy person, I have already painted fifty portraits of the family...but Charles´ children are still missing...

There are sometimes very good infos and pictures in old versions of  the french point de vue magazine. Even of the Walewskis (illegitimate descendance of Napoleon I) and the Murats (from Caroline of Neaples)

Sometimes it is sold at Ebay.

But it´s a pity that I never say Jean Christophe!

I think I´ll write to Charles again, I think he is very busy...

Again Thanks!! ;)
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 06:27:50 AM »
Oh Monarchist, are you still somewhere here??? :-/


It seems to me that there is nobody interested in a discussion about the Bonaparte family! :'(


What a pity, because I am so fond of them ::)
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 01:59:28 PM »
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It seems to me that there is nobody interested in a discussion about the Bonaparte family!


I am interested, they are one of my favorite families.

I am currently rereading Marie Bonaparte: A Life, by Celia Bertin, although there is already a large thread devoted to this lady on the Greek thread.

I also have a bio of Mathilde Bonaparte, waiting to be read....

Both were extraordinary characters....as were many other members of the family.

I would like to learn more about some of the lesser known members of the family, and maybe discuss those Bonapartes who married into other legitamate royal and noble families.  So many of them managed to make advantageous marriages.


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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2006, 09:41:33 AM »
Hello,

Thanks for your answer.
You are right, Marie Bonaparte, who was already discussed here was really a very interesting and fascinating person, especially how she connected sciene with nobility, and the most insteresting was to me, that she completely changed her life in the fourties of her life.
I had once a phone call with her grandson Carlo Alessandro della Torre a Tasso, son of Eugenie of Greece (Marie Bonapartes and Prince Georgs daughter) and of Raimondo della Torre e Tasso. He is a very kind and "simple" person, even if he has an own castle at Triest together with his wife Veronique Lantz, and his children, Massimiliano, Dimitri and Constanza.
He asked me to visit it once...but in general the most Bonaparte descendants are very busy people 8-)
So a longer contact is not easy. I never achieved it (until now) The most of the Bonaparte descendants today (especially those of Lucien Bonaparte) married over the female lines into the families of Italian (or french) counts. Seeing the whole genealogy (for example at "Wordroots") it shows that there are almost more Italian descendants!
One descendant of Lucien (Prince of Canino) and Joseph Bonaparte (former king of Spain) married in 1952 the granddaugher of Benito Mussolini (I made a topic here, but I think the moste people avoid it...  :-X. Alessandros niece was not very "communicative" concerning this facts, when I tried to ask her :-?
My favourite of today in Prince Charles Napoleon I must say. But his views are sometimes discussed, especially by the conservative people of Corsica. When Charles wanted to become deputy major there some people (so I have read) held the oponion that he is not the right person for this task, because in his life, which he had spend mostly in France (and not Corsica) he was not concerned enough with Corsicas special problems (razzism, terrorism...). It´s quite that Charles doesn´t call himself a Bonapartist, he does not belong at all to the conservatives , but to the lefts (almost a bit socialist).
His views are very open and modern, and I think  this was also with a reason for his disheritage by his father Louis (1914-97), who must have been completely different in his views and his caracter concerning being a Bonaparte-heir of the 20 the century. Louis also disliked very much Charles divorce from Beatrice of Bourbon-Sicily and his remarriage with the civil Corsican Lady Francoise Valliccioni...
But there where also many other difficulties between father and son (you can read in interviews of Charles) From his appearance I also like Charles, for me he looks so elegant because of his size. He must be almost two metres (I think, 1,95, I have read). His face is very friendly and nice (so for me) ::)

I would be interested to know what others of this discussion board think of Charles and his tasks and work for Corsica. Should he continue it and should be have more political influence as a Bonaparte?
I have also read that he wants to become a member of the European Parliament (like Otto von Habsburg 8-)

Interesting are also his ansistors, he is not only a direct descendant of Jerome Bonaparte (king of Westphalia under Napoleon I.) , but also greatgrandson of Leopold II of the Belgians,  a direct descendant of Louis Philippe and of Louis XIV. He has as much Bourbon-blood as the count of Paris for example and I think, that´s interesting, because the Bonapartes and the Bourbons were always enemies! And his children are also half Bourbon and half Bonaparte (as it was already said here) through their mothers side (Beatrice)
Charles has also a lot of Habsburg ansistors, all known Habsburg emperors (until Franz I/II) are his ansistors ::)
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2006, 10:26:15 AM »
...But it seems noone is really interested in this.... :-[
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 08:40:40 AM »
I ask myself where and who was the person, who wanted to discuss about relatives of Bonaparte here :'( :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 01:18:58 PM »
BAFFLING!!!! What should one tell Charles napoleon, the poor?? Noone is interested in a discussion! :'(
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Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2006, 05:29:49 PM »
HIH The Prince Napoléon has an adopted third daughter in addition to his son and two daughters. Anh (? HIH Anh, Princess Napoléon) was born in Saïgon, Vietnam in 1998. If you want to see a small picture of the girl look on Charles' political website:

http://www.charlesnapoleon.com/pages/artic...ubrique=famille

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2006, 05:42:13 PM »
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I would be interested to know what others of this discussion board think of Charles and his tasks and work for Corsica. Should he continue it and should be have more political influence as a Bonaparte?
I have also read that he wants to become a member of the European Parliament (like Otto von Habsburg 8-)

As you pointed out since Charles is a socialist perhaps it isn't best for the Bonapartist cause (if one exists at all) for him to get really involved in the French political scene. And I personally think that since it is his heritage that he should want to nuture Bonapartist causes, but obviously Charles has his own ideas. Although I disagree with alot of what he has done, I think he did monarchists a huge favor by marring a Bourbon princess, inspite of the fact that he has since divorced her and married the mother of his illegitimate child.

As to Charles' other family members, I think it would be wonderful if Prince Jérôme (who is nearing fifty) were to marry, but alas it doesn't seem as if that will ever happen. Maybe Caroline will marry a royal, that would certainly be interesting.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 12:14:36 PM »
You have written, that you disagree with many things that the modern Bonaparte did, I would like to which things you mean. ::)
 Maybe you have followed his tasks in the nearest past better than me, may be you have to add some imformation that I do not know. What exactly do you mean, where you disagree?
It would interest me a lot, as there are not many people, who are interested in this topic (so I think)

Would be happy for an answer.  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 07:14:07 PM »
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You have written, that you disagree with many things that the modern Bonaparte did, I would like to which things you mean. ::)
 Maybe you have followed his tasks in the nearest past better than me, may be you have to add some imformation that I do not know. What exactly do you mean, where you disagree?
It would interest me a lot, as there are not many people, who are interested in this topic (so I think)

I over-exaggerated ;). I just think that it would have been more respectable for someone of his position (but since he’s a republican he probably doesn’t mind too much) to have married Sophie’s mother perhaps when he found out that the child was coming. His socialism irks me a little (but a politician has to do what a politician has to do, doesn’t he?). I do hope that he is successful in his current campaign.

It is quite hard to find any information about Charles (in English at least). Do you know of any good sources?

His ex-wife, HRH Princess Beatrice of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, has co-authored a new book that can be found on Amazon.fr entitled “Votre Mariage Royale.” It was actually just published this April, I believe. What is Beatrice's occupation?