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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2006, 09:15:25 AM »
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She was too old. Fransiska was born in 1896 and Anastasia in 1901 and Fransiska looked much older than her 23 years when fished from that canal.  No way are those the pictures of a girl of 18 which is what Anastasia would have been if she had lived and she doesn't have the same face either. So my vote is no.
Exactly. I'm wondering if an age difference was ever even brought up in the investigation.
It's so obvious FS/AA(whatever you prefer) wasn't Anastasia. I find no resemblance(sp?) between the two at all. Okay, so she too had some foot problem that AN had. I could be a hemophiliac and say I'm Alexei. The fact is, society will at times believe anything.
  AA wasn't Anastasia. Case solved. Lock all the doors on this story and haul it away.
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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2006, 01:59:52 PM »
i in my personal opinion do not believe Anna Anderson was GD Anastasia, but i may well be wrong. on the other hand, although that murderous night is a true travesty, it gives me a tiny bit of comfort to know, that such a close family was together with each other, right untill the end, and that they went to Heaven together. that in itself is a blessing.

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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2006, 05:56:44 PM »
I personally do not believe that Anna Anderson was Anastasia. The DNA tests proved her to be false and DNA tests are usually to be over 90% correct. And I also agree - since Anna claimed to be Anastasia, she definitely looked much older than what the Grand Duchess would be. A doctor, when looking at her, said for her to be Franziska's age. I've looked at photos, and Anna looks more like Franziska than she does of Anastasia (I think the lips, nose and eyebrows are different). As for Franziska's photos, I've only seen one where she has her hands together, standing up. It is said that Anastasia's uncle, Grand Duke Ernst, may have touched the photograph to make it look more like Anna, as he was furious for Anna saying that he made a private visit to the Imperial Family to sign a peace treaty with Germany. Franziska's siblings visited Anna to see if she could be their missing sister, at first one of them (Felix??? :-/) looked at her and said she was, but then later changed his mind after they talked a little. The other siblings came along, too, but said no. I do not know what to make out of this case. If Anna was Franziska, then maybe they all did that to make their sister happy - just an opinion of mine. I have read Anastasia: The Riddle Of Anna Anderson and The Romanovs: The Final Chapter. Both held a lot of interesting information. From the book by Massie, he writes quite about Franziska. It says that there was a grenade explosion. This would have left scars on her body, and when Anna came forward claiming to be the princess, these injuries - which is said to be from gunshots and bayonet wounds - may have very possibly been from the grenade explosion. Also, the closest person to Anastasia who was still ALIVE, was Olga Alexandrovna. I think at first she claimed for her to be her niece, but then said no and that they were both "very similar." She also said that the public just simply wants to believe the mystery. I think she carries a very strong point there! I also say that it is highly unlikely that anyone could have survived the execution. As for the missing bodies, I believe that Anastasia is present ... instead I say it is her sister Marie who is missing, along with Alexey.

Anna Anderson may have known she was not Anastasia, but then yet again she could have well and truly believed she was Anastasia. As for the languages spoken, Anna saying that she would not speak Russian as it was "the language spoken by her executioners" - is quite a silly reason if you ask me! It was Anastasia's language, too! ;D I do not know how Anna knew all the personal details of Anastasia's life ... it could have all been a coincidence!

But - overall - I say NO.      

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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2006, 06:32:09 PM »
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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2006, 06:40:07 PM »
Oké oké, got the message!
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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2006, 06:44:34 PM »
[size=10]Is there any cogent reason why the same question keeps surfacing on this forum?

Just to add to David's posting:

ABSOLUTELY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2006, 06:50:33 PM »
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Oké oké, got the message!

 ;DYeah, I agree, Anna! [smiley=huh.gif] :-/

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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2006, 07:57:45 PM »
[size=10]Oh boy, you have saved me time and effort typing for the next 60 years David! You are every mother's prayer to an age old answer of reply to their children. Next time my daughter asks me for something, and says she did not hear me, I will just have this copy nearby to place in her hand.

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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2006, 10:44:14 PM »
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Is there any cogent reason why the same question keeps surfacing on this forum?

Maybe you haven't discovered it yet, but this is a discussion forum. And what makes a good discussion, is a difference of opinions. I am so sorry that the whole world does not agree with you, but it is something you have to live with.  My apologies for being so contrary.

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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2006, 11:41:05 AM »
Since you like to discuss, please explain why it is your 'opinion' that four independant labs who found AA to be not AN and 99% FS are all wrong and you are right? There are several threads here explaining the processes used by the scientists, they are pinned at the top of this page. Of course, this is a poll thread, so this is not the proper place, as if that's every stopped you before from pushing your worn out, already lost cause in every single thread here regardless of the title.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2006, 01:43:59 PM »
Dear Annie,

When I read your post above, it seemed as if I had written it myself. We are in full agreement on this topic and those who cannot manage to see the truth in front of them. Do remember that not everyone comes to this forum with the intent to debate and discuss but rather to amuse themselves by inflaming the discussion. On other forums they are known as trolls. If the subject of your response does not present their opinions in a well thought out manner but rather continues to espouse and adhere to unsubtantiated claims, then they may just be Internet trolls.

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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2006, 03:22:34 PM »
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Dear Annie,

When I read your post above, it seemed as if I had written it myself. We are in full agreement on this topic and those who cannot manage to see the truth in front of them. Do remember that not everyone comes to this forum with the intent to debate and discuss but rather to amuse themselves by inflaming the discussion. On other forums they are known as trolls. If the subject of your response does not present their opinions in a well thought out manner but rather continues to espouse and adhere to unsubtantiated claims, then they may just be Internet trolls.

David

Thank you David, I completely agree. I am so glad there are a few people here who aren't afraid, or intimidated, or fed up, enough to continue to call these people on their actions, because their blatant misleading of innocent children and newbies should not be allowed to stand. They ARE trolls, every single thread, regardless of name or topic, or pleas to stay on topic, always turn into a list of reasons why AA was AN, over and over.This is not an 'opinion,' the fact that AA was not AN is now historical and scientific fact. I have never seen anyone challenge anything like this! Even men who are stuck with the paternity of a child they don't want to pay for still don't try to say the other prospective father switched the blood samples? And just think, that directly affects his life!


Which brings me to an epiphany had about "Chat Noir' and his obsession of this subject. What do he, and his supporters, always say is the reason that the intestines wereswitched/results rigged? They claim it's because the royal family doesn't want to be HUMILIATED for being WRONG about Anastasia. (they weren't, of course) How ironic, since that seems to be exactly what "Chat Noir" is doing! I guess that's where he got the idea from! Even though the case is closed and most rational people accept the conclusion, whether or not it is what they wanted to hear, he continues to drag this dead horse around behind his car honking the horn. Since he has devoted so much of his life to proving AA was AN, he must feel reality somehow invalidates his life's work and his legacy that he turned out to be wrong and he can't deal with the humilation. Therefore he has to continue to pretend it's true, to try to make others believe in something that doesn't exist, and I really don't think he'd stop at anything to try to prove he was still right after all. However, this is not fair to the world, who deserves to know the real truth. One man's obsession (and that of his few but vocal followers) really isn't worth it. He needs to know that even though he was wrong, his work is still very interesting and will be remembered, and it's going to be okay that AA was not AN. It really is time to let go and get over it, for everyone's sake, most of all, for truth and integrity in history, and for the memories of the real Anastasia, and Franziska. Let them rest in peace!

Do the Right Thing- a parable and analogy to the AA case- it takes a bigger man to admit he made a mistake, for the good of all, more than himself- A lesson learned
I remember watching a documentary on the Donner Party and it mentioned that they had followed an alternate path west, avoiding the Oregon trail, because a man had written a book describing a new way to go that was better. When the party got out there, they saw that there were mountains and obsticles the book didn't mention. They knew what town the author was in, and sought him out to ask him what to do next. The man told them straight out that he had been wrong, he had miscalcuated, and to please not follow his book any longer as it was the wrong path. He was very honorable to admit he was wrong, for the good of all, rather than to lead them blindly down a trail that led in the wrong direction just to spare himself humiliation since his book had claimed otherwise. He did the right thing. It would be a very great thing if everyone could do the same.
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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2006, 07:04:01 PM »
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Since you like to discuss, please explain why it is your 'opinion' that four independant labs who found AA to be not AN and 99% FS are all wrong and you are right? There are several threads here explaining the processes used by the scientists, they are pinned at the top of this page. Of course, this is a poll thread, so this is not the proper place, as if that's every stopped you before from pushing your worn out, already lost cause in every single thread here regardless of the title.


My dear Annie:
If you READ my posts, you will find that what I mostly do, is present facts about the case. I am not saying I am right or wrong, I just find that very many people on this forum are unaware of what happpened back then. So relax, you may be right after all, but in the meantime, I always welcome a good argument. And nobody is asking you to participate if you don't want to.

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Re: Anna = Anastasia
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2006, 09:30:21 PM »
How many times do you ever post 'facts' that support AA NOT being AN? It's clear which side you are on, and trying to support.

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2006, 09:47:30 PM »
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How many times do you ever post 'facts' that support AA NOT being AN? It's clear which side you are on, and trying to support.

And what is wrong with that? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? You have made it very clear what side you are on, and I don't for a second chide you for that. I just find you rather repetetive and ill informed, and that has nothing to do with whether AA was AN of FS.

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