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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2005, 07:32:22 AM »


Isabella wearing her amazing parure of huge peridots and diamonds and the enseble that I mentioned previously.....Sadly the image that I have is rather small - anyone have it larger?
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2005, 07:35:10 AM »


Pcss Paley's diamond tiara (the second version) by Cartier.......Those pear shaped diamonds are enormous!
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2005, 09:48:27 AM »
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Isabella wearing her amazing parure of huge peridots and diamonds and the enseble that I mentioned previously.....Sadly the image that I have is rather small - anyone have it larger?


Is this the one? Sorry it's not full-length.
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2005, 10:09:47 AM »
Oh I agree entirely GDElla.  I love the Fife tiara as well.  It must be something about pear-shaped stones.  The Paley tiara has much bigger stones than the Fife one - this is a truly Romanov piece of jewellery.
I think that I am correct in saying that this is the second incarnation of Olga's tiara.  The first version was a wire frame that featured the pear-shaped stones inverted as spikes; she must have decided to have the tiara remodelled.  The second version with the pendant drops must have been a magnificent sight and is quite similar in style to Miechen's pearl and diamond circle tiara and Nancy Leeds' pearl and diamond tiara.  Apparently, whilst in Paris, GDss Vladimir left her tiara at Cartier to be cleaned at which time they took the opportunity to make copies of it; thus it may have been the inspiration for the designs of the Paley and the Leeds tiaras.
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2005, 10:17:36 AM »



Miechen wearing her pearl and diamond tiara and Nancy Leeds' Cartier pearl and daimond tiara below......
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2005, 10:31:40 PM »
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is quite similar in style to Miechen's pearl and diamond circle tiara and Nancy Leeds' pearl and diamond tiara.  Apparently, whilst in Paris, GDss Vladimir left her tiara at Cartier to be cleaned at which time they took the opportunity to make copies of it; thus it may have been the inspiration for the designs of the Paley and the Leeds tiaras.


Nancy Leeds in I believe the tiara Martyn is referring to:
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2005, 02:52:50 PM »


I finally found it - Olga Paley's stomacher by Cartier that she is wearing as a hat ornament in the earlier photos.  This is really is a lovely piece of Belle Époque jewellery and I believe that Cartier still possess the cast of this piece.  Set with diamonds and pearls, it is intended to be worn on the front of the bodice and is a departure form the traditional forms of stomacher that were fashionable in the 18th and 19th centuries and which we associate with Queen Mary; these normally are composed of interlockuing and usually detachable ornaments, whereas this piece is really like a huge oversized brooch......Very lovely - I wonder what became of it and whether Olga managed to take her jewels out of Russia.......?
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2005, 05:06:30 AM »
I would like to have some information about the palace of the princess Paley (morganatic wife of Granduke Paul), where I can find pictures of it, if it still exists and, also, where has gone the furnishing of the palace after the revolution. A detailed answer will be appreciated. So I would like to have some informations about Princess Paley, about her first family and about the marriage with Granduke Paul.
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2005, 02:45:28 PM »
Princess Paley was born Olga Valerianovna Karnovich in 1866.  She married Grand Duke Paul in 1902.  In 1904, the Prince Regent of Bavaria created her Countess von Hohenfelson and in 1915 Nicholas II created her Princess Paley.  

Her parents were Valerian Valerianovich Karnovich and Olga Meszaros.

Her children:

Prince Vladimir (1897-1918), executed with his Aunt Ella in 1918 and thrown down a mine shaft.  He was a talented poet.

Princess Irina (1903-1990), married Prince Feodor Alexandrovich of Russia (nephew of Nicholas II) and had a son, Michael.  Irina divorced him and married Count Hubert de Monbrison and had a daughter, Irina.

Princess Natalia (1905-1981), married Lucien Lelong and divorced and then married John Wilson and lived and died in New York City.

Princess Paley had an unfortunate life, her husband and son both being murdered by the Soviets.

I'm not sure about her palace, but I remember reading that at one point she tried to sue the government to get her belongings back.  I don't remember if the suit was successful or not.

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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2005, 02:50:16 PM »
She died 1929 in Paris.
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2005, 03:00:39 PM »
What has not been mentioned is that at the start of her romance with Grand Duke Paul, she was still married to Major-General Eric von Pistolkors of the Chevaliers Guards Regiment of a very prominent Baltic family from Tartu (Dorpat) in Livland. Her romance with GD Paul was a double egded sword, bring her great happiness and  great sorrow.

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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2005, 03:03:10 PM »
Did she have children with Pistolkors?
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2005, 03:21:35 PM »
Yes she did. I found a link to a photograph of her son Alexander taken at his graduation from the Ecole des Pages in 1905:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eresources/exhibitions/pages/html/2q001.html

If I remember correctly Alexander had a strained  relationship with his mother after she ran off with Grand Duke Paul. Alexander went on to marry the younger sister of Anna Vyrubova. This marriage could not have helped to improve Princess Paley's relationship with Empress Alexandra.

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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2005, 07:08:41 AM »


My very favourite image of Princess Paley.

Dressed for a costume ball held by the Comtesse d'Yturbe in 1913, she is the very epitome of elegance.  Easy to see why Paul fell in love with her.

It is said that Olga was the only person to have made an effort to have friendly relations with Alix towards the end.......
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2005, 07:16:31 AM »
Any regal colour portraits of her or her children?