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« Reply #511 on: April 16, 2012, 08:33:51 AM »
Princess Paley as a young girl

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Princess Paley in 1896

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« Reply #514 on: June 22, 2012, 04:28:48 PM »
Natalie Paley website:

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« Reply #515 on: July 07, 2012, 02:50:13 PM »

Vladimir?




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« Reply #516 on: October 17, 2012, 10:47:59 AM »
when GD Paul and Olga were exiled from Russia did her children from first marriage go with her ?Or did they stay in S Petersburg with their father?

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« Reply #517 on: October 19, 2012, 12:34:23 AM »
Olga's children remained in Russia with their father. I don't believe it was ever even an option for her to take her children into exile with her.

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« Reply #518 on: October 28, 2012, 06:36:51 AM »
Natalie Paley and Serge Lifar:


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« Reply #519 on: November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM »
Olga's children remained in Russia with their father. I don't believe it was ever even an option for her to take her children into exile with her.

Did they have any relationship with their step-siblings Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri? I was surprised to read that Marianne was present, along with Dmitri, at Rasputin's murder.

"Marianne von Pistohlkors was allegedly one of two women and several men present in the palace belonging to Felix Yussupov on the night that Rasputin was lured there in December 1916. 'Malanya's also taking part,' Yussupov wrote to his wife Princess Irina of Russia in the weeks before the murder. Pistohlkors' nickname was Malanya.

She, like Grand Duke Dimitri, was later arrested by the Tsar's secret police following the murder. However, the Tsar later ordered her release. Sympathies were on Pistohlkors' side, according to her mother's memoirs, Memories of Russia 1916-1919. 'When we arrived at 8 Theatre Square, where Marianne lived, we were stopped by two soldiers who let us through only after taking down our names. All the highest society was at Marianne's! Some ladies she barely knew arrived in order to express sympathy with her. Officers came up to kiss her hand.'

None of the male co-conspirators ever publicly denounced Pistohlkors or the other woman suspected of involvement, ballerina and film star Vera Karalli. Neither were these women prosecuted in the subsequent legal trials.

According to one author, the Tsar kept their names out of the case because he did not want more public displays of sympathy for the murderers of Rasputin. He also knew that his sickly uncle Grand Duke Paul was very upset by Dimitri's involvement in the murder and was taking badly the Tsar's decision to exile Dmitri to the Persian front. The Tsar presumably did not want to add to the Grand Duke's suffering by also charging his stepdaughter."
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« Reply #520 on: November 13, 2012, 04:05:41 PM »
Beautiful portrait
Marianne managed to flee Soviet Russia?

Yes, she died in 1976, though I can't remember exactly there.

A bit about Marianne:

"Marianne and Nicholas von Zarnekau managed to escape Russia some time after 1923 with the help of her first husband, Peter Dournovo, who arranged for their passage to Finland. They settled in Belgium, and Marianne is mentioned in Anthony Summer's book The File on the Tsar:

'Countess de Zarnekau, an ex-patriate living in Brussels, told how in about 1923 a nun arrived at their home in Moscow and announced mysteriously that the Tsar and all the family were alive 'somewhere close to the border'. She asked for, and was given, wooly socks to warm the Imperial feet. Those who had been able to deal with the little matter of the Tsar's rescue were now apparently having trouble in getting him the right size in socks.'

In 1930, Marianne divorced Count von Zarnekau, her third husband, and launched her acting career in Europe under the stage name 'Mariana Fiory'. In February 1930, she appeared at the Theatre Mathurins in Paris, starring in the role of a German soldier's grieving fiancee in The Man I Killed, a dramatization of the war novel L'Homme que j'ai tue. Playwright Maurice Rostrand reportedly wrote the play specifically for Marianne. The show was a hit and won glowing reviews. Marianne went on to Rome, to star opposite Emma Gramatica, a popular Italian film actress of the 1930s.

Mariana Fiory, the former Countess von Zarnekau, arrived in the United States in 1936. She first appeared on the New York stage in February 1937 as the lead in Michel Dulud's play Dans le Noir at the Barbizon-Plaza theatre. Mariana then appeared in The Shining Hour with a stock company in New Hampshire, and apparently decided to settle in the U.S.

Through a friendship with Wally Castlebarco, the daughter of composer Arturo Toscanini, the ex-Countess was signed to appear on NBC. The Schenectady NY Gazette for January 7, 1938 reported 'One of Europe's noted actresses, Mariana Fiory, once a member of the Russian Royal family, is to make her first appearance in American radio when she plays in the Radio Guild on WJZ-NBC at 2. The production is Ibsen's Rosmersholm.'

In late 1938 Marianne played 'Tessie Konstantin' in the Broadway production of the satire Waltz in Goose Step at the Hudson Theatre.

The Brooklyn NY Daily Eagle spotlighted her with a brief interview on November 5, 1938. 'The Countess Mariana Zarnekau, step-daughter of Grand Duke Paul and cousin of the late Russian Czar, scorns titles, knows nothing about dictators, and has no quarrels with Stalinists, but 'adores' the stage and the Brooklyn waterfront.'

Marianne told the reporter she was 'very, very ready' to discourse at length on the worthlessness of royal connections. 'What did the revolution do for me? Why it set me free, and gave me the chance to fulfill a lifelong ambition to enter the old Imperial Dramatic School and study for the stage.'

In October 1939, Hollywood columnist May Mann caught up with Mariana Fiory at a smart Russian perfume bar on Fifth Avenue and heard a similar story. 'I was too young. I did not know what the revolution was all about. We left our palaces and lived crowded in rooms. We were glad to have our lives. . . . I married Count Zarnekau, and we were terribly poor. All of our properties had been seized and we had nothing. I helped to found the first dramatic school in Communistic Russia. Then I went to Paris and starred many seasons on the stage. . . . This spring I starred in Window Panes. I do not long for the old Russia. America is so much more interesting.'

During World War II Marianne moved to California, where she appeared with Robert Taylor and several Russian actors in the MGM movie Song of Russia (1944), the story of an American symphonic conductor, trapped in Russia during World War II, who helps with the resistance. Marianne plays 'Nina.' Produced by Joseph Pasternak and directed by Gregory Ratoff, Song of Russia premiered in February 1944.

Marianne died on May 14, 1976."
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Re: The Paleys
« Reply #521 on: November 13, 2012, 11:55:14 PM »
Olga's children remained in Russia with their father. I don't believe it was ever even an option for her to take her children into exile with her.

Did they have any relationship with their step-siblings Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri? I was surprised to read that Marianne was present, along with Dmitri, at Rasputin's murder.



Marianne as fas as I know was on very friendly terms with Maria and Dmitry. She was quite a star in a society, hignly independent and extravagant woman.

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« Reply #522 on: December 23, 2012, 01:54:40 PM »
There is no evidence that there were any women guests at the Yousupov Palace on the night of Rasputin's murder. That was why Princess Paley's daugher was released after her arrest.

Dmitri's diaries indicated he did not care for his stepmother until after the Revolution. He was fond of her children with Piskeltors but had complex feelings about the children of his father's 2nd marriage, particularly his half brother Vladimir Paley. How could he not? He basically went without a father for much of the time after Grand Duke Paul became involved with Olga Paley.

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« Reply #524 on: December 23, 2012, 05:44:54 PM »
Olga and her first husband