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Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« on: April 04, 2006, 05:30:21 AM »
Hello :)

I do not know if this topic is still here, but I would be interested in knowing more about her, and also in seeing some photos of her and her children.

I have tried to find one, but I could not not find any about her children 1) Franz Josepf Larisch-Moennich (he was more known than the others, because all of her other children died before her)
2.) Marie Valerie 3) Friedrich Karl 4) Marie Henriette 5) Georg Heinrich (he comitted suicide) 6) and
     Friedrich Karl

and there was also something about an Otto Brucks ?! :-?

Can anyone post pictures with some information?

If this topic still exsists , please be so kind to inform me, because I do not want to bother anyone with asking for infos, that are already here...Ok? ::)


Thanks for any reply.  
Yours Britta
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2006, 09:56:14 AM »
In the Book "Jene Gräfin Larisch" are many pics of Marie Louise, her husbands and her children.

I've got that book but I don't own a scanner and my photo searches in the net were unsuchessful,
so let's hope anyone else can help..



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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2006, 10:12:26 AM »
Hello and Thanks... :)

Do you also have any pictures of her children, especially her son Franz Joseph?

I will also do some research concerning the book, it must be interesting.
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2006, 10:17:55 AM »
And her children seem to be only in the book?

I will look for this book, it is an interesting link ;)
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2006, 10:25:11 AM »
As far as I know.

A new edition of the book is reprinted and out this month.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2006, 10:40:32 AM »
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I have tried to find one, but I could not not find any about her children 1) Franz Josepf Larisch-Moennich (he was more known than the others, because all of her other children died before her)
2.) Marie Valerie 3) Friedrich Karl 4) Marie Henriette 5) Georg Heinrich (he comitted suicide) 6) and
     Friedrich Karl

and there was also something about an Otto Brucks ?!


Marie's Children:

Franz-Joseph Ludwig Georg Maria (1878-1937) and
Marie Valerie Franziska Georgine (1879-1907) with first husband Georg Larisch

Marie (Mary) Henriette Alexandra (1884-1915) and
Heinrich Georg Maria (1886-1909) by Heinrich Baltazzi

Friedrich Karl Ludwig Maria (1894-1929) from an affair with Karl Ernst von Otto-Kreckwitz  
(The Reason for the Divorce from Georg Larisch)

Otto Brucks, Jr. (1899-1977) with her second husband Otto Brucks



Did you know that Heinrich and Mary were fathered by Heinrich Baltazzi, a brother of Helene Vetsera, the mum of Mary?  :-?
She even named the son after him..  ::)



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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2006, 03:49:42 PM »
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A new edition of the book is reprinted and out this month.
I have preordered a copy of this new edition on amazon.de at a most reasonable price. Used copies of the previous editions usually are ridiculously expensive so I jumped on the occasion. The book they should ship in the course of the month. I hope there is going to be no delay.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2006, 04:06:26 PM »
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Marie's Children:

Franz-Joseph Ludwig Georg Maria (1878-1937) and
Marie Valerie Franziska Georgine (1879-1907) with first husband Georg Larisch

Marie (Mary) Henriette Alexandra (1884-1915) and
Heinrich Georg Maria (1886-1909) by Heinrich Baltazzi

Friedrich Karl Ludwig Maria (1894-1929) from an affair with Karl Ernst von Otto-Kreckwitz  
(The Reason for the Divorce from Georg Larisch)

Otto Brucks, Jr. (1899-1977) with her second husband Otto Brucks



Did you know that Heinrich and Mary were fathered by Heinrich Baltazzi, a brother of Helene Vetsera, the mum of Mary?  :-?
She even named the son after him..  ::)




That's really interesting. As Sokop wrote in her book, Marie Louise named all her children after their (secret) fathers:
Henriette and Heinrich > Heinrich Baltazzi (Henriette was a quite inconspicuous name because of Henriette Wallersee.)
Friedrich Karl > Karl Ernst von Otto-Kreckwitz
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 06:19:13 AM »
Hello

A lot of thanks for all the details and pictures.

As I am usually rather a Bonaparte- specialist many of the facts were new to me! ::)
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 02:16:23 PM »
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Gödöllö 1883 (frpm left to right : Archduchess Valerie, Henriette Wallersee, Marie & father Ludwig, Countess Kornis) :

Do you really think that the girl on the far left is Marie Valérie? This girl looks definitely older than the girl in the center of the pic. In 1883 Marie Valérie was only 15 years old. So I think the girl next to Louis is maybe Marie Valérie (but I'm not too sure about that) and the other one on the left is Marie Larisch.
Where did you find that photograph? It's also in "Jene Gräfin Larisch". Sokop wrote: "With Duke Ludwig in Gödöllö, maybe September 1884." But she doesn't identify the people on the pic. I'm also not sure about Henriette Wallersee ... maybe she isn't on the pic at all.
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 03:32:24 PM »
This pic I found in one of Marie Larisch's volumes of memoir. It is dated & identified as such in the book though I am uncertain about Marie Valerie (I do not think she had such fat cheeks) & especially Henriette Wallersee. The pic is not very clear besides. The girl holding Ludwig's arm I do think is Marie.
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 01:50:29 AM »
Thanks for sharing with us all those pics!! :) I've never seen that one with Marie and Mary Vetsera. It seems I read somewhere (possibly in Barth's book on Crowprince Rudolf) that Mary presented Rudolf a photo of her with Marie Wallersee.  :o
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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 02:20:20 PM »
Friedrich Karl Ludwig Maria (1894-1929) from an affair with Karl Ernst von Otto-Kreckwitz  
(The Reason for the Divorce from Georg Larisch)


She had two children by Heinrich Baltazzi (in 1884 and 1886) and she was married to Georg Larisch. Why did they divorce after Friedrich Karl (in 1894) and not before?

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2006, 10:22:58 AM »
I´m shoked...

Really, really was Marie Larisch a lover of Heinrich Baltazzi, one of the brothers of Helena baroness Vetsera???

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2006, 04:57:39 AM »
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I´m shoked...

Really, really was Marie Larisch a lover of Heinrich Baltazzi, one of the brothers of Helena baroness Vetsera???



Yes, she was.
If she wasn't his lover, how could she get two children of him?!

Seed-napping or what...  ;D  ;D  ;D