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Russian Morgantic Marriages
« on: April 11, 2006, 02:25:42 PM »
It is sometimes confusing trying to keep all the Russian morgantic marriages straight.

Let's please list them here, groom and bride, and any information specific to the actual marriage, wife's new title, and that of her children as well.

Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich of Russia
m. Olga Valerianovna Karnovich, divorced wife of Erick von Pistolkors
married 1902 at Livorno, Italy
1904-created Countess von Hohelfelsen by Prince Regent Luitpold of Bavaria
Children with Paul: Prince Vladimir Paley (b.1897), Princess Irina Paley (b.1903), and Princess Natalia Paley (b.1905)
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2006, 04:45:08 PM »
If anyone spots any errors in the information I've provided, please feel free to correct it.

Alexander II, Tsar of Russia
m. Princess Catherine Dolgoruki
married in 1880, just around a month after Tsarina Marie's death
Created Princess Yurievskaya
Children: George Alexandrovich Romanov Yurievsky (1872-1913), Olga Alexandrovna Romanov Yurievsky (1873-1925), Boris Alexandrovich Yurievsky (1876-1876), and Catherine Alexandrovna Romanov Yurievsky (1878-1959)

Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich of Russia
m. Natalya Sergeyevna Wulffert née Sheremetevskaya, a twice divorced commoner
married in 1912 in Vienna, Austria (secretly)
Created Countess Brasova, then Princess Romanovskaya-Brasova
Children: George (first Count Brasov, then Prince Brasov) (1910-1931)

Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich of Russia
m. Mathilde Kchessinska, ballerina and formerly Nicholas II's mistress
Created Princess Romanovskaya-Krassinskaya
married in 1921 in Paris, France
Children: Vladimir (created Prince Vladimir Andrejevitch Romanovsky-Krassinsky) (exactly who fathered Vladimir however is questionable) (1902-1974)

Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich of Russia
m. Zenaida Rachevskaya
married in July 12, 1919 in Genoa, Italy
(no title)
no children

Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich of Russia
m. Countess Joanna Grudzi[ch324]ska
Created Her Serene Highness Princess Lowicka
married in May 1820

Grand Duke Nicholas Constantinovich of Russia
m. Nadejda Drier
married in 1882 at Oldenberg
children: Prince Artemy Nikolaevich Iskander (1883-1919), Prince Alexander Nikolaevich Iskander (1889-1957)

Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich of Russia
m. Countess Sophia von Merenberg
Created Countess de Torby by the Grand Duke of Luxembourg
married on February 26, 1891 in San Remo
Children: Countess Anastasia Mikhailovna de Torby (1892-1977), Countess Nadezhda Mikhailovna de Torby (1896-1963), Count Michael Mikhailovich de Torby (1898-1959)

Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich of Russia
m.  Audrey Emery, an American heiress
Procured for her the title of Princess Romanovskaya-Ilyinskaya, and the title Serenie Highness from Grand Duke Cyril of Russia
married in 1927
Children: His Serene Highness Prince Paul Romanovsky-Ilyinsky

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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2006, 06:14:28 PM »
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Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich of Russia
m. Countess Joanna Grudzi[ch324]ska
Created Her Serenity Princess Lowicka
married on May 27, 1820

Some additional information on one of the entries in Ortino's excellent list:

Countess Joanna Grudzi[ch324]ska, known as Janneta, born at Königsburg, Prussia on 19 February 1786 and died 1835. Created a Princess of the Russian Empire by Emperor Aleksander I with the style of Serene or Serenity in 1820. Her specific title was Princess Lowicka in Polish and Princess Lovich in Russian, named after the Polish city of Lowicz. Married on 12 May 1820 Old Style to His Imperial Highness Tsesarevich Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia, Chief Commander of the Forces of the Kingdom of Poland.

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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2006, 07:15:21 PM »
Thank you, Ortino!  What a great list!

What about the Oldenburgs and Leuchtenburgs?  Weren't there several morgantic marriages in these families as well?
Anyone know about these?
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2006, 07:24:24 PM »
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Alexander II, Tsar of Russia
m. Princess Catherine Dolgoruki
married in 1880, less than a month after Tsarina Marie's death
Created Princess Yurievskaya
Children: George Alexandrovich Romanov Yurievsky (1872-1913), Olga Alexandrovna Romanov Yurievsky (1873-1925), Boris Alexandrovich Yurievsky (1876-1876), and Catherine Alexandrovna Romanov Yurievsky (1878-1959)



Although the speed with which this couple married after Marie's death was scandalous and shocking, I never understood why this marriage had to be morgantic.  Catherine was a princess of the highest nobility and Alexander was a widower with grown children, the succession secured.

I guess Catherine would never have been accepted as Empress....
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2006, 07:32:09 PM »
Does a grand duchess count?

Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia
m. Colonel Nikolai Kulikovsky
married in 1916
Children: Tikhon Kulikovsky and Guri Kulikovsky
(no title)
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 07:40:44 PM »
Was the marriage of Olga to Kulikovsky actually morgantic?
Did the Tsar give permission for this marriage?

What made a morgantic marriage?

What is the difference in marrying morgantically (does this require consent?) and just marrying anybody one pleases?

Did morgantic marriages have to be approved to be morgantic?  Or was any marriage to a lower being just automatically considered morgantic, approved or not?
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2006, 08:44:24 PM »
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Was the marriage of Olga to Kulikovsky actually morgantic?
Did the Tsar give permission for this marriage?

What made a morgantic marriage?

What is the difference in marrying morgantically (does this require consent?) and just marrying anybody one pleases?

Did morgantic marriages have to be approved to be morgantic?  Or was any marriage to a lower being just automatically considered morgantic, approved or not?

A morganatic marriage is between two people of unequal social rank and describes a union in which neither the spouse of lower social rank nor any children of the marriage may inherit the title or possessions of the higher-ranking spouse. Therefore Alexander II's marriage to Princess Catherine was indeed morganatic. It seems that only Alexander's married a person of royal blood--the rest that I've provided were either to commoners or aristocrats--meaning that the others' marriages would have been largely unrecognized, particularly by the Emperor. As such, they would not have gone to him for permission and I doubt he would have given it anyway. His brother's own marriage to Natasha is a perfect example--they had to be married secretly and she and their son were never given any real acknowledgment by the royal family until after Michael's death (then she became a Princess).

Olga's marriage happened under trying circumstances. She married Colonel Kulikovsky in 1916, during World War I. Nicholas' focus would have been elsewhere and his willingness to fight against it weakened. According to Olga's memoirs, even her mother was resigned to it. Yet later on, she was rather cold towards him and never acknowledged him as a member of her family.
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2006, 09:07:01 PM »
Wasn't the marriage between Grand Duke Cyril & Victoria Melita a morgantic marriage, or was it just without the permission of Nicholas II?

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 09:15:47 PM »
I don't think it was morgantic, just illegal....
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2006, 09:27:47 PM »
I don't think it was morganatic just without the Tsar's permission--later granted. At least I've never heard it brought up in any of the arguments relating to the fitness of their descendants to claim the throne--just the divorce/lack of permission/non-conversion of Miechen arguments.
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Re: Russian Morgantic Marriages
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2006, 09:32:02 PM »
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I don't think it was morganatic just without the Tsar's permission--later granted. At least I've never heard it brought up in any of the arguments relating to the fitness of their descendants to claim the throne--just the divorce/lack of permission/non-conversion of Miechen arguments.

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2006, 09:36:49 PM »
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I don't think it was morgantic, just illegal....

 Their marriage was scandalous because she had divorced Ernst and the fact that the Church prohibited marriage between first cousins. Cyril's father complained that his son "had been seduced by a married woman."

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2006, 09:39:49 PM »
Were the marriages of Tatiana K and Irina considered unequal? They were both given the Tsar's permission to marry but didn't they have to renounce their rights? I know in Lifelong Passion, Tatiana's marriage caused a great deal of consternation. Similarly with Marie Vladimirovna's marriage to Furst Karl of Leiningen and Marie Pavlovna's 2nd marriage to Prince Poutiatine?

GD Constantine Pavlovich renounced his succession rights after his 1820 marriage to Css Joanna Grudzinscy. He had previously been married, equally, and divorced, from QV's aunt Julianne of Saxe-Coburg (Anna Feodorovna)

GD Alexei is said to have married Alexandra Zhukovskya in Italy in 1870 though it is not entirely clear whether this marriage actually occurred. A son was born, Ct Alexei Belevsky-Zhukovsky (1871, k.by Soviets in the Caucasus 1930/2) who married twice and left descendants

GDss Maria N., after her widowhood, married Ct Grigori Strogonov in 1856 with the Tsar's permission.
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2006, 09:47:10 PM »
Let's please not turn this into another Ducky thread....

Back to the morgantic marriages:

I think it is interesting that children of morgantic marriages often married children of other morgantic marriages, or made morgantic marriages themselves....

Countess Nada de Torby (product of 2 morgantic marriages) m. Prince George of Battenberg (product of morgantic marriage)

Two of Catherine Dolgoruki's children married into morgantic families:
George m. Alexandra of Oldenburg, Countess von Zarnekau
Olga m. George Nicholas of Nassau, Count von Merenberg

Can anyone think of any other such instances?
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