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Re: If the prsent Prince of Wales were to ascend the throne next week....
« Reply #435 on: April 23, 2010, 11:37:12 PM »
The cost of the Queen visiting is signficantly higher than a non British royal visit as the Canadian or Australian government pays for everything from hotel rooms, transportation and it is not pennies.  The last visit of Charles and Camilla cost Canadians $2.6 million.  The visit of the Queen in 1964 cost $1,000,000 and that is in 1964 dollars, so these tours are not cheap.  When a foreign head of state visits, the visit is usually just a day or two and the only cost is minor police protection and a state dinner (maybe).

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« Reply #436 on: April 23, 2010, 11:52:30 PM »
The cost of the Queen visiting is signficantly higher than a non British royal visit as the Canadian or Australian government pays for everything from hotel rooms, transportation and it is not pennies.  The last visit of Charles and Camilla cost Canadians $2.6 million.  The visit of the Queen in 1964 cost $1,000,000 and that is in 1964 dollars, so these tours are not cheap.  When a foreign head of state visits, the visit is usually just a day or two and the only cost is minor police protection and a state dinner (maybe).

Well Obama came to Ottawa for 6 hours last year, and it cost us 2 million.  That's the price of visits from heads of State.

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« Reply #437 on: April 24, 2010, 12:33:28 AM »
Jehan
if you read that article closely, that was the total estimated costs including closing businesses along the route of the motorcade. Obama's visit was exceptionally expensive due to the perceived threat of possible assassination due to him being the first black American president and a lot of those costs like housing US secret service officers was paid for by the US.

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« Reply #438 on: April 24, 2010, 12:36:20 AM »
The cost of the Queen visiting is signficantly higher than a non British royal visit as the Canadian or Australian government pays for everything from hotel rooms, transportation and it is not pennies.  The last visit of Charles and Camilla cost Canadians $2.6 million.  The visit of the Queen in 1964 cost $1,000,000 and that is in 1964 dollars, so these tours are not cheap.  When a foreign head of state visits, the visit is usually just a day or two and the only cost is minor police protection and a state dinner (maybe).

The royals don't stay in hotels in Australia.  They usually stay at various governor's residences.

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« Reply #439 on: April 24, 2010, 01:02:59 AM »
Can someone tell me who actually decided that Charles should marry Camilla?

Did Charles himself insist on the marriage, thus making her future Queen Consort - or were there outside pressures (namely from the Queen or others) who pushed for it, regarding this preferable to Charles maintaining his mistress behind the scenes?  

The Duchess of Cornwall has always appeared discreet and low-key, particularly since 2005.  Is this because she has been thrust into a role she didn't truly want or because of advice from the palace to tread carefully in the early days to test the waters, so to speak?  

Exactly Grace,she has not set a foot wrong.She has risen way above expectations,and will do so again once Queen,
regardless what some retired queens here say,or think they know,except they love to hear themselves and talk as if
they sleep next door to the couple.They know nada.Charles already made his choice for Queen...

Oh and please,get off it with comparing presidents with who knows who.
We do not care,this is Great Britain and it is a Monarchy,nothing compares to that.

We are talking Charles and Camilla here, a great couple and no doubt they will do a fine job.
There were worries on E VII after Victoria,but even he turned out to be a whale of a King.Nice that E II has the longivity she has,
but her subjects and moreover the rags they love to read don't know which way to turn,le peuple never does till the last moment
and then join the one who won.The vox populi and all the referenda and hypes created by them are nothing,they mean nothing,
at all.Not to anyone with more then two grey cells in its head.Its populist junk I will kick around as often as I have to and can.

And on costs,it still generates more,much more,then it will ever cost.This constant blabbering on a buck says a lot on what sort of people do that.
Not that anyone had a sandwich or big mac less tho,most still consume like there's no tomorrow.So that issue is complete nonsense.
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Re: If the prsent Prince of Wales were to ascend the throne next week....
« Reply #440 on: April 24, 2010, 01:18:36 AM »
In  your opinion but not in others.

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« Reply #441 on: April 24, 2010, 01:21:39 AM »
In  your opinion but not in others.

Not in all others,no,but most by now.
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Re: If the prsent Prince of Wales were to ascend the throne next week....
« Reply #442 on: April 24, 2010, 01:55:43 AM »


Australia in the past HAS accused the Queen of the dollars it's cost US (Australian's) when she comes here. It's ALWAYS in the news about how much we as the taxpayers fork out for it. It's a thing I resent. So in reality, what is costing us now for the Queen and PP to visit us, PW and his future wife, will be no different for Charles to bring Camilla.



I've always wondered why people begrudge the cost of paying for a royal visit.  It's about as much as one would pay for a visit from the president of the USA or Russia or any other country.  And she would probably visit, as she does,  whether she were your Queen or just a visiting foreign head of state.  The cost for state dinners, security etc remains the same, more or less.  And it's probably just pennies per person anyway.  (I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy in Canada worked out to less than a dollar per person).

And is a presidential system any cheaper? With inaugurations every 4 years, several residences to maintain, security,  foreign visitors to entertain and foreign visits to make, - I would think it costs the taxpayers  as much or more than the monarchy does in the UK.


I agree with you. I just personally resent working my butt off to have them come here and I don't even get a personal visit from them.

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« Reply #443 on: April 24, 2010, 01:57:43 AM »
When it's said in this thread that the Government pays for the Queen to visit Australia, that money the government has, actually comes from my taxes. So I am paying for it.

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« Reply #444 on: April 24, 2010, 02:00:02 AM »
The cost of the Queen visiting is signficantly higher than a non British royal visit as the Canadian or Australian government pays for everything from hotel rooms, transportation and it is not pennies.  The last visit of Charles and Camilla cost Canadians $2.6 million.  The visit of the Queen in 1964 cost $1,000,000 and that is in 1964 dollars, so these tours are not cheap.  When a foreign head of state visits, the visit is usually just a day or two and the only cost is minor police protection and a state dinner (maybe).

The royals don't stay in hotels in Australia.  They usually stay at various governor's residences.


Correct Grace. It's only when they are visiting outback and there are no government buildings there, that's the only time they stay in not hotels here but motels.

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Re: If the prsent Prince of Wales were to ascend the throne next week....
« Reply #445 on: April 24, 2010, 02:14:27 AM »


Australia in the past HAS accused the Queen of the dollars it's cost US (Australian's) when she comes here. It's ALWAYS in the news about how much we as the taxpayers fork out for it. It's a thing I resent. So in reality, what is costing us now for the Queen and PP to visit us, PW and his future wife, will be no different for Charles to bring Camilla.



I've always wondered why people begrudge the cost of paying for a royal visit.  It's about as much as one would pay for a visit from the president of the USA or Russia or any other country.  And she would probably visit, as she does,  whether she were your Queen or just a visiting foreign head of state.  The cost for state dinners, security etc remains the same, more or less.  And it's probably just pennies per person anyway.  (I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy in Canada worked out to less than a dollar per person).

And is a presidential system any cheaper? With inaugurations every 4 years, several residences to maintain, security,  foreign visitors to entertain and foreign visits to make, - I would think it costs the taxpayers  as much or more than the monarchy does in the UK.


I agree with you. I just personally resent working my butt off to have them come here and I don't even get a personal visit from them.
That would cost you even more butts to work off Lindelle unless they bring their own biscuits ofcourse.....grin...
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« Reply #446 on: April 24, 2010, 02:17:30 AM »
 :)I know!
I've always got the kettle on.

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« Reply #447 on: April 26, 2010, 06:00:18 AM »
I have never made any calculations in regards to costs for monarchy as opposed to presidency.

But if monarchy is more expensive, I would qualify it as a luxury good: something not everyone can afford to pay, but which brings extra value.

A monarch is born and raised to be a monarch - unlike a president. Most of them are educated to the role since they were little, which means they have less chance (even though not zero) of screwing it up.

A monarch provides stability - the system of changing the head of state each 4,5,6 whatever years means that the elected head of state will most of the time focus on short and medium-term measures in disfavor to long-term measures (like not closing down a factory for ecological reasons because the improvement in ecology will show in 100 years while the people are getting fired now).

A monarch does not belong to any party which means there are more chances (even though not 100%) of the monarch being impartial as opposed to a president that will probably favor his party's proposals.

I could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is this: check out the list of most developed and best countries in terms of life quality. You will see that in the top 10, at least half of them are monarchies, even if on the whole there's only 25% monarchies in the world. That should tell you something.
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« Reply #448 on: April 26, 2010, 06:24:33 AM »
Ok, anyone can feel free to answer my question.
I had an argument with my husband about if Australia became a republic, it would take away our heritage.
True or False?


ilyala, why do you believe it's a luxury good when I pay for a royal tour?
How does it benefit our country?

The last royal to tour our shores was PW and granny paid for it FOR him. So why can't she pay her own way instead of using my money to benefit herself and her husband, valets, ladies-in-waiting etc.

The thing that irked us the most with PW's visit was that he made us late for work! Roads were closed, traffic lights were out and we had to use back streets to get there.

Look I'm not trying to be difficult, but it's a true bee in my bonnett when I have to pay for something that only causes me nothing but money.

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« Reply #449 on: April 26, 2010, 06:30:33 AM »
If all the queen/princes and other members would do is stay in Buckingham palace and sign papers, they would be perceived as isolated from the people and not fit to be monarchs. Remember the English reaction to Queen Victoria's lengthy mourning of Albert?

But if they do go on tours and try to meet the people and see how the people they supposedly rule live, that's a waste of taxpayer's money.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And the traffic would have stopped whether there was a monarch or a president there too.
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