Queen Victoria, Prince Albert & their Coburg relations

Count Albert Viktor Julius von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg,Austrian ambasador(I think) in London,son of Queen Victoria's first cousin Fürst Alexander Konstantin Albrecht von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg and grandson of Queen Victoria's aunt Princess Sophie von Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld...

["Coburg Curse"]

There are threads I think on Leopold II, Charlotte, Louise and Stephanie. Also a recent one on Philippe and his family.

There are threads I think on Leopold II, Charlotte, Louise and Stephanie. Also a recent one on Philippe and his family.

She was a daughter of the very rich Ferenz von Kohary, an aristocrat with great estates in Hungary. Ferenz was so pleased with the marriage of Antonia with a member of the Coburg dinasty that he made the daughter the heiress of a great fortune.

Coburgs were minor princelings, with a notable lack of connections to the royal houses and not wealthy. If the first wedding coup was the marriage of lovely Juliane with a russian grand duke, the Coburgs had the great coup when Ferdinand was engaged to Antonia von Kohary.

Was not this the marriage that started the "Coburg Curse"?

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Hi,I would like to know more about the relationship between Queen Victoria and her 6 first cousins(von Mensdorff)...One of them became later Prince von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg and one of them(I think Arthur) was a diplomat!So are there any particular mentiones about their relationship(besides the fact that Count Mensdorff is present in the famous group picture from Coburg) and did she ever meet all of them since they were mainly Austrian subjects...If anyone knows anything about this?Thank you!

Count Albert Mensdorff was at many weddings in England and abroad, including Sandra Coburg's. He was a very familiar figure to his English relatives and was frequently mentioned in the Court Circular.  He was an active diplomat for the Austrian court and in 1889 transferred to London, where with short intervals he was ambassador from 1904 to the outbreak of WW1.






Here's a bit about some of the family:

http://www.zamekboskovice.cz/DefaultEN.aspx?id=48&category=2&l=1

Here is a brief outline:

Sophie (aunt of Victoria and Albert) (1778-1850)
m. Emmanuel, Count Mensdorff-Pouilly (1777-1831)

Children:

Alphonse (1810-?)
Alexander (1813-1871)
Hugo (1816-?)
Arthur (1818-1904)

This information comes from Uncrowned King by Stanley Weintraub.

I do believe there were others and I'm not sure why the "?" appears in the dates for two of the brothers.

Here is a link to a bio of Albert Mensdorff, the diplomat, who was the son of Alexander.

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Albert,_Count_Mensdorff-Pouilly-Dietrichstein

And a link to a history of the family and the family seat.

http://www.zamekboskovice.cz/DefaultEN.aspx?id=48&category=2&l=1

Here's what I found on the Online Gotha:

Emmanuel Cte de Pouilly, cr Gf von Mensdorff-Pouilly 1818 (Nancy 24 Jan 1777-Vienna 28 Jun 1852); m.Coburg 22 Feb 1804 Sophie Pss of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (Coburg 19 Aug 1778-Fussrick 8 Jul 1835)

1a) Hugo Ferdinand (Coburg 24 Aug 1806-Gräfenberg 21 Oct 1847)

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2a) Alfons Friedrich (Coburg 25 Jan 1810-Boskowitz 10 Dec 1894); m.1st Vienna 23 Jul 1843 Therese Gfn von Dietrichstein-Proskau (1823-1856; see Part I); m.2d Vienna 31 May 1862 Marie Charlotte Gfn von Lamberg (Moor 3 Dec 1833-Boskowitz 1 Feb 1876)

1b) Viktoria (Vienna 28 Jun 1844-Cilli, Styria 4 Nov 1918); m.Boskowitz 4 Nov 1865 Karl Gf von Oberndorff (Regendorf 31 Jul 1833-Naples 27 Dec 1889)

2b) Sophie (Vienna 30 Jul 1845-Adlerkosteletz 10 Mar 1909); m.Vienna 17 May 1884 Friedrich Karl Gf Kinsky v.Wchinitz u.Tettau (Vienna 13 Feb 1834-Adlerkosteletz 23 Sep 1892)

3b) Antonia Maria Theresia (8 Aug 1848-Boskowitz Mar 1862)

4b) Arthur Emanuel Hugo Alexander (4 May 1852-Boskowitz 16 Jan 1862)

5b) Therese (Boskowitz 12 Mar 1863-Boskowitz 13 Jan 1867)

6b) Alfons Wladimir Franz Emanuel Rochus (Boskowitz 16 Aug 1864-Brünn 20 Jun 1935); m.Vienna 2 Aug 1890 Ida Gfn Paar (Vienna 1 Mar 1867-Netschetin, Bohemia 9 Aug 1945)

7b) Emanuel Alexander Maria (Peggau, Styria 5 Sep 1866-Sternberg, Bohemia 28 Mar 1948); m.Prague 12 Jul 1892 Anna Gfn von Westphalen zu Fürstenberg (Kulm, Bohemia 18 Feb 1869-Sternberg 29 Dec 1948)
 
8b) Bedrich (Boskowitz 18 Jan 1869-Boskowitz 17 Jan 1872)
 
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3a) Alfred Carl (Gaÿa 23 Jan 1812-Amorbach 27 Apr 1814)

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4a) Alexander-Constantin Gf von Mensdorff-Pouilly, cr 1868 Fst von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg (4 Aug 1813-14 Feb 1871); m.28 Apr 1857 Alexandrine Gfn von Dietrichstein-Proskau-Leslie (1824-1906; see Part I)   
 

1b) Marie (Vienna 29 Jan 1858-Cracow 17 Jul 1889); m.Vienna 23 Oct 1887 Hugo Gf Kálnoky von Koröspatak (Lettowitz 2 Jun 1844-Lettowitz 23 May 1928)

2b) Hugo Alfons Eduard Emanuel Joseph Johann Wenzeslaus Fst von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg (Prague 19 Dec 1858-St.Joachimsthal, Bohemia 20 Aug 1920); m.Baden-Baden 27 Jul 1892 Pss Olga Dolgoruky (St.Petersburg 27 Nov 1873-Innsbruck 3 Jan 1946)

3b) Albert Viktor Julius Joseph Michael (Lemberg 5 Sep 1861-Vienna 15 Jun 1945)

4b) Klothilde Wilhelmine Josepha Gabriele Maria Innocentia (Vienna 23 Dec 1867-Budapest 1 Sep 1943); m.Vienna 1 Mar 1897 Albert Gf Apponyi de Nagy Appony (Vienna 29 May 1846-Geneva 7 Feb 1938 [1933?])

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5a) Leopold Emanuel (Coburg 18 Mar 1815-Prague 5 May 1821)
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6a) Arthur-August (Coburg 19 Aug 1817-Wöllau 23 Apr 1904); m.1st Venice 25 Oct 1853 (div 1882) Magdalene Kremzow (13 Nov 1835-Vienna 15 Apr 1899); m.2d Wölau 11 Dec 1902 Bianca Gfn von Wickenberg (Graz 6 Oct 1837-Wöllau 19 Sep 1912)

 

2b) Hugo Alfons Eduard Emanuel Joseph Johann Wenzeslaus Fst von Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg (Prague 19 Dec 1858-St.Joachimsthal, Bohemia 20 Aug 1920); m.Baden-Baden 27 Jul 1892 Pss Olga Dolgoruky (St.Petersburg 27 Nov 1873-Innsbruck 3 Jan 1946)




[/quote]Princess Olga was one of the 5 daughters of the widowed Princess Olga Petrovna Doulgoruky (nee Countess Shouvalova) who died at Versaillies in 1927 having left Russia with her elder son and 2 grandaughters in the entourage of the Dowager Empress.At least one more of Olga's daughters (Countess Fersen) left the Crimea with her children in another of the British warships..

Is there a thread about the Saxe-Coburg-Kohary ? I am particularly interested in knowing a little bit more about Princess Clothilda of Saxe-Coburg-Kohary daughter of Augustus and Clementine d'Orleans. I know that Clotilde married the Archiduc Joseph of Habsburg, Palatin of Hungary and that they had a large descendance, but no more. A book is going to be published in Belgium I think this august 2007 about Clémentine d'Orléans, I wonder if some one heard about this book already and if it will contain information about Princess Clotilde. Thanks for helping !

There's this thread on the Kohary's:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,9663.msg267584.html#new

Using the search function might bring up more information as well since you can be more specific in your inquiry (ie searching about Princess Clothilde in particular).

Thanks for this information. However the thread does not seem to be working : the message reads " topic either missing or off limit for you ". Is there anything particular to do about that ? Thanks.

Try this one:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,5421.0.html

I checked it and it works.

Yes it does work, thanks ever so much. As the Kohary family is not " truly speaking  " a mediatized family, I had no idea that there might be a topic about Kohary in the chapter " mediatized family ". I hope some one knows a little bit about Princess Clotilde of Saxe Coburg Kohary ! Many thanks.

Two sons of Sophia Pss of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld and Emmanuel Gf von Mensdorff-Pouilly married two girls from Dietrichstein family. Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly married Therese, from younger Dietrichstein line and after her death he inherit the castle Boskovice. Then he married again, Gfin Marie Lamberg, who gave him two sons. Descendats of these two sons are still living on castle Boskovice.
Brother of Alfons, Alexander, married another rich heiress from main Dietrichstein line, Alexandrina. Shortly after the dead of last Dietrichstein prince, Alexander acquired Dietrichstein titles and properties (castle Mikulov in south of Moravia) and he and his family were from year 1868 titlet as Princess Dietrichstein-Mensdorff-Pouilly. Alexander was diplomat too (in Russia, England, Sweden) and 1864-6 was Austrian Foreign Minister. He resign after the war in 1866. Last member of these princely line is Mercedes Dietrichstein.