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Re: Carlos IV of Spain and his family
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2006, 09:30:03 AM »
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Re: Carlos IV of Spain and his family
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2008, 02:49:16 AM »
I was looking for descriptions of Maria Luisa by contemporaries and I found some interesting comments:
 
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"The Family of Charles IV" (1800). The prized treasure of the Prado, it is, alas, not in the current show.

In this enormous (11½ by 132½ inches) monument to the witless corruption of the Spanish monarchy, Goya depicted the cuckolded king and his ugly wife as beribboned, overdressed and pompous figures surrounded by 11 elegantly dressed but unappealing royal personages. The painting led French novelist Theophile Gautier to remark that the royal couple looked like "the corner baker and his wife after they won the lottery." As Velázquez had done in "Las Meninas," Goya included himself as a shadowy figure in the background laboring at his easel.
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from Antiques and the Art

http://antiquesandthearts.com/CS0-04-30-2002-13-01-11
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Re: Carlos IV of Spain and his family
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2010, 11:13:18 AM »
According to Wikipedia, Queen Maria Luisa also was a rival of the famous Duchess of Alba and the Duchess of Osuna. Does anyone know why?

And speaking of the Duchess of Alba, does anyone have more information about her?

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Re: Carlos IV of Spain and his family
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2010, 04:28:03 AM »
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And speaking of the Duchess of Alba, does anyone have more information about her?

There's quite a lot of information about her as she was Goya's Duchess of Alba - María del Pilar Teresa Cayetana de Silva Alvarez de Toledo y Silva Bazán, 13th Duchess of Alba.  However, most of the information concerns her relationship with Goya rather than Maria Luisa!  She was considered eccentric and certainly Maria Luisa disliked her - this website repeats the rumours that Maria Luisa poisoned her - http://artmodel.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/goya-and-the-duchess/ although when her body was exhumed in the 20th century the consensus seems to be that she died of TB. 

María Josefa Pimentel, Duchess-Countess of Benavente, 12th Duchess of Osuna, was also painted by Goya and was a society leader in a way the Duchess of Alba wasn't - she had a literary salon as well and was extremely charitable.  The Alba and Osuna families were the wealthiest noble families in Spain, so the enmity of Maria Luisa may simply have been political - these women represented aristocratic rivals in some form.  In Spain, women were establishing themselves as leaders by mainly through patronising the arts, and thereby influencing politics through their salons and parties and good works - something Maria Luisa would have felt pretty threatened by, I imagine. 

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Re: Carlos IV of Spain and his family
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2016, 02:28:21 PM »


King Carlos IV and queen Maria Luisa