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Offline dboro

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2006, 05:32:37 AM »
OK, so one of the graves is still there. Thanks for the info. I'll search it next time when I visit Gödöllö. (I've still managed to find the photo of the tombstones posted before. It was made by Mór Erdélyi in the early 1890s).

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2006, 06:25:08 AM »
I will try to search the tomb when I visit Godollo. It is a pity the tomb of Plato is no longer there. Is there any picture of Sissi with Plato? I only saw pictures of her with Shadow.

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2006, 07:49:31 AM »
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Wow, thanks a lot  for the pictures Alice of Hesse. So interesting the graves are still there.Did you visit the graves and took the pictures yourself? I will see the graves too when I will be there.

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I was there on holidays a few years ago. Today there is only the tombstone of Shadow. The picture  I posted was from a book about Gödöllö - I bought it in the museumshop. It is an old photography in black and white.

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2006, 08:27:57 AM »
Thanks Alice. I plan to visit Gödöllö next month.I will search the tombstone of Shadow and buy the book in the museumshop.

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2006, 03:00:12 AM »
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OK, so one of the graves is still there. Thanks for the info. I'll search it next time when I visit Gödöllö. (I've still managed to find the photo of the tombstones posted before. It was made by Mór Erdélyi in the early 1890s).

If you go on the homepage of the castle Gödöllö www.kiralyikastely.hu  and klick on  Palace History - Palace Park you can read: “Her two beloved dogs were buried here, the marble plate commemorating one of them is still there.”
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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2006, 01:46:44 PM »
Can't see the photo in the first post, so my apologies if I am posting a "repeat".


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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2007, 02:18:08 PM »
Hi,some time ago I found one portrait on Ebay and don't know who could it be.It is written on the bottom:''Josephus,Hungariae Rex,Archidux Austriae,Dux Burgau,Comes Türol''

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2007, 02:19:54 PM »
So,anyone knows who could this be?

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2007, 03:16:22 PM »
I just had a look into my book Die Habsburger - Ein biographisches Lexikon by Brigitte Hamann. In this book you can find short biographies of every Habsburg.
In fact Joseph wasn't used very often.

Emperor Joseph I. (1678-1711)
Emperor Joseph II. (1741-1790)

From the Hungarian line:
Archduke Joseph Anton (1776-1847)
Archduke Joseph Karl (1833-1905)
Archduke Joseph Ferdinand (1872-1942)
Archduke Joseph August (1872-1962)
Archduke Joseph Franz (1895-1957)

Hungariae Rex means something like King of Hungary. So the young man should be Joseph I. or Joseph II.
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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2007, 04:21:54 PM »
Well,I don't think it's either Joseph I or Joseph II(sure not)...This boy must be someone from 16th or begining of the 17th century...Why else would they mention Dukes of Burgau or Counts of Tirol(Duke or Fürst von Burgau was son of Archduke Ferdinand,Count of Tirol and Philippine Welser)?

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2007, 04:27:40 PM »
Just for comparation.Portrait of Joseph I as a child,so I really doubt that this is him on the first portrait!But,who could it be?I searched genealogy pages but was unable to find any Joseph from this period,even if he is from an illegitimate line...

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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2007, 03:23:08 AM »
There are different child portraits of Joseph I.  and for me he does not look like Joseph I on this portrait as well, but as there is really no other Joseph at that time ( I did not find any as well) I may really be him. Is the ebay page with that portrait still there? Or do you know the name of the seller? Sometimes the people, who sell the things, know more (not always of course) Concerning the line of the counts of Burgau (line of Ferdinand II of Tyrol) there is no Joseph as well: Ferdinand II had the sons Andreas and Karl, Karl had a son Karl and one with the name Ferdinand and daughters, and Karl again had a son Karl, but then I don´t find anymore descendants, even when I have read on a todays claimant, who says that he descends from that line! Maybe the painter included some "phantasy". I am of the opinion that it cannot be any count of Burgau, because he could never have the title of a king of Hungary, but as king of Hungary a Habsburg can have many other titles, maybe including that of Burgau as well (strange...Have to look up about the titles) Concenring the Hungary line, who descends from Joseph Anton, Palatine of Hungary (1776-1846), I don´t think it´s any of them, because it´s almost impossible that kind of art in the 18th and 19th century, they all look different as well.  Maybe it´s really Joseph I as very young man, when he was only king of Hungary, when when I think the features do not really fit, but sometimes the artists work with too much freedom... very strange. I little it reminds me of the spanish line (illeg. son of Philipp IV) or his brothers, but of course that´s impossible as well, but at least it´s from that time!
Has anyone got other ideas or remembers anyone the name of the seller?
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Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2007, 07:31:26 AM »
He certainly has the Habsburg features of the 17th century. I don't think there's any other possibility except for the young man to be Joseph I.
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