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Smokers and non smokers
« on: May 10, 2006, 05:54:50 AM »
I was just reading about Archduchess Mathilde's tragic smoking realted accident on the Hohenzollern thread and was wondering which of Queen Victoria' children were smokers. For her grandchildren it's probably easier to count the ones who were non smokers.

My guesses (based on nothing specific)

Empress Frederick - non smoker. I just can't imagine it!
Edward VII - smoker
Alice - non smoker (she might have tried it though)
Alfred - smoker
Helena - non smoker
Louise - smoker (but didn't inhale)
Arthur - non smoker
Leopold - non smoker
Beatrice - non smoker

Non smokers among the grandchildren - Ella. There can't be many more - even Alexandra Feodorovna smoked! Is it possible that Marie of Roumania was a non smoker? I know that Ducky smoked.




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Re: Smokers and non smokers
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 09:34:24 AM »
There actually was a thread where this was discussed but I think it's inaccessible now. There was a good deal of info there.  :(

Smokers:
Bertie--helped kill him
Alfred--died of throat or tongue cancer I believe
Louise
Arthur--I think he actually smoked though not to a large extent; most men did then it seems
Henry Battenberg--smoker; helped to get QV to ease her rules
Christian
Louise Connaught--possibility; I think I read it somewhere
Wilhelm II
Charly
Henry Prussia
Eddy
George V
Victoria Milford-Haven (like a chimney!)
Alexander Battenberg
Leopold Battenberg
Christian Victor


possibles because of personality, temperament or time when they became adults:
Toria
Maud
Thora
Ducky
Baby Bee
Alfred Jr
Patsy
Ena
Maurice
Charlie Albany
Alice Albany
Albert Schleswig-Holstein
Marie Louise
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Re: Smokers and non smokers
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 10:09:19 AM »
I'm sure I read somewhere recently that Queen Mary smoked, but I can't remember where, so please correct me if I'm wrong!
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 10:15:45 AM »
Alice of Battenberg/Greece (a greatgranddaughter) smoked.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2006, 10:21:19 AM »
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There actually was a thread where this was discussed but I think it's inaccessible now. There was a good deal of info there.  :(


Yes, that was an interesting thread.  It's such a shame we can't get to so many old threads.   :'(
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Re: Smokers and non smokers
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2006, 10:24:50 AM »
Queen Mary did smoke, in private.  I remember something about straw-tipped cigarettes.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2006, 11:00:52 AM »
Did Fritz of Germany, Vicky's husband, smoke?  I just wonder if it is what lead to/caused his throat cancer.
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Re: Smokers and non smokers
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2006, 11:51:17 AM »
I know he at least smoked a pipe--don't know about cigarettes or cigars.

Smoking can be attributed directly to the deaths of EVII, GVI (heavy smoker), Affie and most likely Fritz (throat cancer) and GV (long history of respiratory ills).
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2006, 01:25:45 PM »
Helena did smoke. I saw her cigarette cases at the christies auction in January, lovely they were.  :)

And Marie Louise did smoke too, their is a funny story of how she would throw the cigarette ends out of the window while staying with her Aunt Vicky!! ;)
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2006, 02:57:15 PM »
So I guess Vicky was a confirmed non- smoker (like me!) - she must have been exposed to lots of passive smoking thiough!

My guesses for her kids:

Wilhelm (occasional cigars)
Charlotte - smoker
Henry -smoker
Moretta - smoker
Sophie - smoker
Mossy - smoker

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2006, 03:01:10 PM »
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Queen Mary did smoke, in private.  I remember something about straw-tipped cigarettes.

Thanks for confirming that! :)
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2006, 03:11:40 PM »
Beatrice smoked, too!  Pope-Hennessey mentioned this in his bio of May.

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2006, 03:13:01 PM »
Well, I knew that Wilhelm II smoked, because I saw a photo of Nicholas II & Wilhelm choosing cigars.
I think I also saw a photo of Crown Prince Constantine of Greece & Nicholas (when tsarevich) smoking.
Does anybody know if Marie Feodorovna, her parents, Thyra, George I of Greece & Fredrich VIII smoked?

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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2006, 03:45:06 PM »
Marie of Romania did smoke too and this is well-known(sorry if she was already mentioned).


here's a fragment :

" There were sixteen at the table, the King and the Queen sitting on opposite sides in the centre, with the guests on their right and left. I was second from King Ferdinand, and within six feet of Queen Marie who was almost directly across the table from me. Her Majesty talked throughout the meal, which lasted for more than an hour, eating heartily the while.

After we had finished, a silver alcohol lamp, of a beautiful ancient Roman design, was placed before the Queen. She took a cigarette and lighted it from the flame, raising the lamp to the level of her nose as she did so. She smoked vigorously, and it seemed to me that she liked it. Some-times she talked with the cigarette in her mouth. The lamp was next passed to the King, after which it went around the table."

(AT THE QUEEN'S TABLE
Chapter XXXII by Frank G. Carpenter,Doubleday, Page & Company
Garden City, New York, 1925)


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Re: Smokers and non smokers
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2006, 07:37:33 PM »
George I of Greece and Frederick VIII of Denmark did indeed smoke.

When it comes to male royals, it's almost who didn't smoke.

Tsar Nicholas II smoked as well.
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