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RomanovMartyrs

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Re: Armenian Genocide.....
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 03:51:57 PM »
Still, why won't Turkey come clean and admit what they did?   Surely anyone who was involved in organizing the genocide is long dead by now, so they can't be prosecuted.  Both Germany and Japan have come clean with the atrocities they committed during World War II, Cambodia came clean with the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge, so why doesn't Turkey man up and stop trying to hide the truth about this crime?

There are plenty of genocides/massacres nations refuse to acknowledge or accept responsibility for. Just because the Holocaust is so widely known doesn't make it the precedent for how the perpetrators will react afterwards. All too often, people forget that there are plenty of other gigantic massacres aside from the plight of those in WWII, before and after that era. (Check out Srebrenica as viewed by Serbia, for instance.)

Anyway, if anything it's just the opposite: The events in Armenia set the precedent for the Holocaust; after all, Hitler did say something to the effect of, "We can get away with this, because no one remembers anymore what happened to the Armenians."

No one ever held Turkey responsible. Where were Turkey's Nuremburg Trials? Can we hold them responsible for something now, a century later, when no one bothered to then? Doubt it. Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 05:05:45 PM »
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Can we hold them responsible for something now, a century later, when no one bothered to then? Doubt it

I agree, considering that anyone who was actually involved in carryout out this crime is now long dead.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »
The above mentioned book "The Burning Tigris" does mention Turkish officials being tried for killing Armenians shortly after WW I. Also note there were alot of reports in the European press in the last half of the 1800s about Turkish cruelty in the balkens towards Christians ect. No doubt young "NickY and young "Alicky' read or heard or read about them while growing up. As for the Young Turks AKA the Committee of union and Progress they raised more than a few eyebrows in pre 1914 Europe do to their criminal behavior. Nazis, Facists and Communists acted in a similair manner post WW I. Nicholas, Alexandra, and even thier daughter Olga read about them. No doubt like millions of other people in Europe they thought such a gang will never take power in their country!
 Among the witnesses to the Armenian genocide are US diplomats and missionaries (the US never decared war on the Ottoman empire during WW I), British POWs, and German and Austrian military personel, civilians, diplomats ect. i believe  General Erich Lundendorff discusses this in his memoirs which is on the net. There are Turks today who will tell you these massacres did happen but only off the record since if they say so in public they run the risk of be jailed for "insulting turkishness" or something like that.

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2012, 06:40:27 PM »
Nonsense. As I have said, I had no problem talking openly about this issue in Istanbul. And, I am no one special or "privileged" neither were the people I talked to. Just like everyone else, they have different views. Turks are not  ideological prisoners.  If discussed in public,  one gets wide  points of view. The only real offence  that I know of is to insult Ataturk, father of modern Turkey and that has nothing to do with the Armenians.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2012, 05:34:05 PM »
You are right Robert my information was dated but in earlier years I understand this could and did happen. Or thats what i have read.

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2012, 08:35:42 PM »
I have no doubt about that James, but it was in the past.  It is just not the case now.
 AS it was here, one could not discuss Communism objectively, even though it was perfectly legal to do so, without being black listed, or worse. Every  country goes through these phases.
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