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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #105 on: August 13, 2013, 02:47:51 AM »
I should look for it.

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2013, 08:47:49 PM »
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an interesting article with images of Marina Hayden, I've never seen before.

http://archive.woodbridgelibrary.org/Archive/TheWoodbridgeLeader/1927/1927-06-17/pg_0014.pdf

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« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2013, 10:33:43 PM »
Wow ! Interesting...

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #108 on: October 10, 2013, 01:32:48 AM »
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an interesting article with images of Marina Hayden, I've never seen before.

http://archive.woodbridgelibrary.org/Archive/TheWoodbridgeLeader/1927/1927-06-17/pg_0014.pdf

That's something! Great find. Marina look like a doll actually...

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #109 on: October 10, 2013, 10:09:53 AM »
I had only seen one photo of Marina in her youth, and two of her in old age. So imagine my surprise when I saw this article with more than one photo!

Read the article, and wasn't sure if it was true, but I'm inclined to believe there was some truth there. Most of it seems to fit the what is known of the scandal, although there wasn't much known about her life after the scandal except she eventually remarried, had a child, and divorced. There was something sad in knowing of how 'ruined' she really was after the 1908 scandal and duel. Even sadder to see never really appeared to find any kind of happiness or stability in her life.


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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #110 on: October 10, 2013, 01:11:01 PM »
I think she also wrote her own memoirs and was published in French.

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #111 on: October 10, 2013, 02:04:42 PM »
See an old post by Penny Wilson here:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=725.msg232003#msg232003



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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #112 on: October 10, 2013, 02:17:33 PM »
I have the book - there were only 50 copies published and I am lucky I have one. She says very little about her life after the scandal. In fact the only thing she says is that she decided to work as a theater actress, but when her father heard of it, sent her more money. She does not say that she married and had a daughter.Do you know who she married and where is her daughter?

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #113 on: October 10, 2013, 02:28:47 PM »
Sorry - I read the article again, and she mentions her husband's name and that she had a son, not a daughter. I am not sure if I believe in all that the article says.

Her book is written in a very sad tone, and she does not seem to be someone who would lead such a dissipated life....

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2013, 02:38:53 PM »
Funny, or maybe strange: in 1969 the book was translated into Finnish and published under the title Rubiinit ennustavat onnettomuutta, but I guess this will not help many of you.
The only reason I can imagine why in Finnish: Marina spent some time in her younger years in Helsinki....

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« Reply #115 on: October 10, 2013, 04:51:34 PM »
I had the chance to obtain the book some time ago. Was very, very difficult to locate, and as amelia commented the undertone of the book was a very sad one. Marina was elderly when she wrote it, yet many of events she described mirrored the thoughts of a young girl. There was a sense of regret, remorse and lingering grief over the events which undoubtedly molded her fate.

I'm suspicious over the accuracy of the article, but many of the things it mentioned do add up. After the scandal and death of Nicholas Youssoupoff, Marina was outcast by society. She spent some time in a sanitarium recovering from the shattered emotional state she was left after the death of Nicholas. After this she traveled all over Europe not returning to Russia until five years later when her mother passed. Considering her reputation was tarnished, it's likely Marina did engage in some affairs believing she had nothing else left to lose. I've read she had a minor romance with Grand Duke Dmitri. She eventually married, but in her book she hardly mentions her husband or son, if I recall correctly.

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2013, 06:30:18 PM »
That does sound a bit suspicious.

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #117 on: October 11, 2013, 06:23:11 AM »
Funny, or maybe strange: in 1969 the book was translated into Finnish and published under the title Rubiinit ennustavat onnettomuutta, but I guess this will not help many of you.
The only reason I can imagine why in Finnish: Marina spent some time in her younger years in Helsinki....

Interesting that it's been translated into Finnish. Marina de Heiden's grandfather was after all governor-general of Finland for 18 years and she grew up on Helsinki's Senate Square and the Heidens' family estate in Juustila / юстила by the Saima Canal just north of Vyborg, then part of the Grand Duchy of Finland. So she grew up in a quite Finlandic environment, but probably without ever learning to speak either Finnish or Swedish.

Add to that her life in St. Petersburg and Baron Arvid (it seems that the original German spelling of his name is Arwed) Manteuffel's Baltic background, and you get an aristocratic milieu centred on the Gulf of Finland, with Marina's life offering some interesting parallells and vivid contrasts to that of her contemporary compatriot Edith Södergran.



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Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #118 on: October 11, 2013, 06:45:15 AM »
Marina de Heiden's grandfather was after all governor-general of Finland for 18 years and she grew up on Helsinki's Senate Square? or in the President's Castle?

Ah, it seems like the Governor-General's official residence was the present Government Guest House on the Southern Esplanade.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2013, 06:52:02 AM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: Nikolai Yusupov, elder brother of Felix, his life and death
« Reply #119 on: October 11, 2013, 12:05:37 PM »
She was a fascinating women.