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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2007, 08:55:06 AM »
Who was number

  >>4. Magyar in a grey  suit which he later burned sulphuric acid; <<

Evidently he wasn't a soldier since he was wearing a suit.

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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2007, 12:51:45 PM »
Sukorukov  memoirs continued.....

>>In the morning we arrived at the mines where the corpses were.  Near the mine there were ashes without fire.  The boys began to root in the ground  assuming  the tsar's clothes had been burned there.  Some found a lot.  For example, Pospelov found two big diamonds set in platinum.   Sunegin found a diamond ring, and so on.<<

We learn the following:

1. Arrive in the morning at the mine which I assume is the Four Brother's mine
2.  There were corpses
3.  There were ashes but no fire
4.  For some reason these men started to dig  around in the ashes and found jewelry which they assume was the IF's
5.  Pospelov - found wo big diamonds set in platinum
6. Suegin - found a dimond ring
     Who is Suegin?  He is not mentioned in the list given above.

7. Does not tell us what he and others may have found

 8. He doesn't mention Yurovsky being there at this point in time to tell them to hand over the jewelry.

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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 05:03:33 PM »
Sukorukov  memoirs continued.....

>>The time went by.  The work was urgent.  It was necessary to begin digging up the corpses.  Mounted and unmounted patrols were set up everywhere, and the work began.  Vladimir Sunegin was the first who went down with a rope in hand. At first we began to extract the firewood, whole logs.  Then the work got tedious, and we decided to take corpses out directly.  I came down to help Sunegin and he fris thing we came across was a leg of the last Nicholas.  He was removed sucessfully, and than all the others.  To be precise, it can be said that everybody was naked, axcept for the heir, who had on a sailor shirt but no troussers.  After....<<

What did we learn:

1.  Sukhorukov and other men were told to dig up the corpses from the mine shaft
2.  One person was lowered into the mine shaft.  HIs name was Vladimir Sunegin.
3.  Debri was lefted  out of the mine. 
4.  Sukhorukov  tells us he was the next person who went into the mine shaft
5.   First corpse found was Nicholas II
6.  Others, who were naked,  were pulled out
7.  The acception was Alexei, who  had on a sailor shirt and was naked from his waste down
8.  Mounted and unmounted men  held patrol of the area

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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2007, 04:33:46 PM »
Sukorukov  memoirs continued.....

>>After the the bodies were put near the mines and covered with tents.  We began to discuss what do with them.  At first we decided to dig a pit right on the road,  do the burial and level the ground again.  But the soil turned out to be stony, and the job was abandoned. We decided to wait for the cars and drive the cargo to the Verkh-Isetsky pond.<<

What do we learn:
1.  Bodies were still by the Four Brother's mine
2.  Covered with tents   TENTS?  Where did they come from???  Were th bloody tarps used?
3. First buriel site was too stoney and abandoned the buriel near the mine
4.  waited for the cars  [more than one vechile?]
5.  Were think of taking the bodies to the Verkh-Isetsky pond...
7.  18th of July
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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2007, 04:43:17 PM »
Sukorukov  memoirs continued.....

>>In the evening the trucks came.  The corpses were loaded onto carts.  We transferred them from the carts to the trucks and again and left. Not far was something like a bridge made of ties, and the last truck about to pass over, got stuck.  All our efforts [to move the truck] were unsucessful.  We decided to [p. 144] remove the ties, dig the pit, put the corpses into it, pour sulphuric acid over [the bodies], fill the pit and replace the ties.  All that was done in such a way that if the White Gurads found the corpses,  they could not guess from the number that it was the royal family.<<

What did we learn:

1. More than one truck was used
2.  The bodies were loaded onto carts which carried the "cargo" to the trucks
3.  One of the trucks became stuck
4.  Ties,  which were there already,  had been removed
5. Pit dug
6.  Bodies [9] were placed in the pit
7. Poured  sulhuric acid over the bodies
8. Replaced the ties over the body
« Last Edit: September 21, 2007, 04:47:49 PM by AGRBear »
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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2007, 03:32:28 PM »
Sukhorukov contintued  p. 144:

>>We decided to burn two corpses on the fire and did so. For our sacrifical altar we got the last heir.  The second body was the youngest daughter Anastasia.  After the corpses were burned, we scattered the ashes, dug a pit in the centry, shoveled in all the unburnt remainders,  made a fire again on the same spot and finshied the work.<<

--End of the testimony about the buriel of the eleven corpses.--

What did we learn:

1.  burned two corpses on the fire
2. one body was Alexei
3.  the other body was Anastasia
4.  "our sacrifical altar"  -  I assume was wood which made ashes.   Doesn't  mention where the wood came from.   I don't think you can make a "altar" out of  kerosene which they probably did use and  poured it on  the corpses to help them burn.
5.  doesn't tell us they poured any sulferic acid over the bodies once they were in the pit but may have
6.  mentions a pit  not two pits
7.  waited as the corpses   burned; waited so they could dig a pit  in the center, then pushed in the "unburnt remainders" in pit, covered  it up
8.  made another fire and spread the ashes

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Re: Who Was At Second Buriel of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2007, 04:58:43 PM »
It's "burial"

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Re: Who Was At Second Burial of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2007, 05:48:56 PM »
It's "burial"

We can' go back and fix misspellings so  I'm afraid my "buriel"  is going to stay.

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Re: Who Was At Second Burial of Imp. Fam.?
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2007, 04:13:01 PM »
It's "burial"

We can' go back and fix misspellings so  I'm afraid my "buriel"  is going to stay.

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